1 00:00:06,980 --> 00:00:15,220 [Music] 2 00:00:24,830 --> 00:00:18,740 come blast off in my time machine there 3 00:00:29,089 --> 00:00:24,840 I feel like it needs a blast-off blast 4 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:29,099 off cut blast off in my solution there I 5 00:00:49,150 --> 00:00:46,110 [Music] 6 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:49,160 ladies and gentlemen this is Ryan your 7 00:00:54,580 --> 00:00:53,210 host of the hero paranormal podcast I've 8 00:00:57,819 --> 00:00:54,590 been having a lot of people asking me 9 00:01:02,020 --> 00:00:57,829 what the hero paranormal is about what 10 00:01:05,020 --> 00:01:02,030 does hero paranormal stand for well to 11 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:05,030 put it simply it is the hyper anomalous 12 00:01:12,580 --> 00:01:08,090 esoteric research organization but more 13 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:12,590 importantly it is the heroes in status 14 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:14,690 those of the paranormal field or the 15 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:18,410 fringe of culture who have that hero 16 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:22,490 status or ability to give tremendous 17 00:01:29,170 --> 00:01:25,850 amounts to the field and tonight we have 18 00:01:30,100 --> 00:01:29,180 in my opinion a very big hero in the 19 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:30,110 paranormal field 20 00:01:37,450 --> 00:01:33,130 he's a narrow zone a man who has a 21 00:01:39,570 --> 00:01:37,460 paranormal property and being a 22 00:01:42,749 --> 00:01:39,580 paranormal property owner myself I can 23 00:01:47,139 --> 00:01:42,759 attest that it can become very difficult 24 00:01:50,020 --> 00:01:47,149 to not only manage the property and the 25 00:01:55,180 --> 00:01:50,030 opinions expressed by usually the elites 26 00:01:57,010 --> 00:01:55,190 who also seem to have a tendency to want 27 00:02:00,070 --> 00:01:57,020 to collect these paranormal properties 28 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:00,080 and do research on them of course but 29 00:02:07,809 --> 00:02:03,770 the field in general 30 00:02:11,620 --> 00:02:07,819 ufology cryptozoology and the paranormal 31 00:02:14,530 --> 00:02:11,630 field has a tendency to attack those who 32 00:02:19,300 --> 00:02:14,540 have had experiences that are beyond the 33 00:02:22,300 --> 00:02:19,310 norm or hero status and that's the case 34 00:02:27,660 --> 00:02:22,310 with with a lot of individuals now the 35 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:27,670 individual today is quite amazing and he 36 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:30,170 well he's the owner of the Stardust 37 00:02:36,630 --> 00:02:32,050 Ranch in rainbow valley about an 38 00:02:39,300 --> 00:02:36,640 west of Phoenix and he has dealt with 39 00:02:43,190 --> 00:02:39,310 harassment constantly and he's a very 40 00:02:47,390 --> 00:02:43,200 well-grounded individual and he has 41 00:02:50,670 --> 00:02:47,400 endured a barrage of activity much like 42 00:02:54,110 --> 00:02:50,680 other ranches with similar paranormal 43 00:02:57,270 --> 00:02:54,120 attributes a few come to mind the 44 00:03:00,240 --> 00:02:57,280 Bradshaw ranch also in Arizona Arizona 45 00:03:04,260 --> 00:03:00,250 is quite the hotspot and my hat is off 46 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:04,270 to the individuals who go to Arizona in 47 00:03:09,390 --> 00:03:05,770 search of research one of those 48 00:03:12,030 --> 00:03:09,400 individuals is Nathan : Shaw Nathan is 49 00:03:16,890 --> 00:03:12,040 most well known for being the founder of 50 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:16,900 the Utah UFO fest a wonderful get 51 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:18,850 together in a beautiful part of the 52 00:03:24,060 --> 00:03:22,210 state Cedar City Utah and he's done an 53 00:03:26,700 --> 00:03:24,070 amazing job at gathering people with 54 00:03:31,170 --> 00:03:26,710 similar interest to speak about things 55 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:31,180 that are usually not acceptable and hats 56 00:03:36,510 --> 00:03:33,970 off to Nathan Nathan's not only limited 57 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:36,520 at that he's trying to do the same thing 58 00:03:40,740 --> 00:03:39,010 in Arizona and I hope he has all the 59 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:40,750 support that he can possibly have I know 60 00:03:49,380 --> 00:03:44,290 he's got mine and with Arizona there is 61 00:03:52,890 --> 00:03:49,390 just a multitude of energies and extreme 62 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:52,900 locations where these type of things 63 00:03:57,680 --> 00:03:54,850 have the ability to come into our 64 00:04:01,230 --> 00:03:57,690 dimension and interact in a very 65 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:01,240 different way and then is usually the 66 00:04:07,860 --> 00:04:05,170 case now the property that mr. John 67 00:04:10,620 --> 00:04:07,870 Edmonds owns the Stardust ranch 68 00:04:13,199 --> 00:04:10,630 it's been featured on you name it Ghost 69 00:04:15,970 --> 00:04:13,209 Adventures the Travel Channel 70 00:04:20,979 --> 00:04:15,980 it's got international acclaim at this 71 00:04:24,280 --> 00:04:20,989 point and well it's not old news as John 72 00:04:29,110 --> 00:04:24,290 has told me there are some new things 73 00:04:32,260 --> 00:04:29,120 going on and John would know on another 74 00:04:34,840 --> 00:04:32,270 note I would like to well explain why I 75 00:04:37,510 --> 00:04:34,850 haven't done a podcast at least a free 76 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:37,520 podcast I've done some patron only 77 00:04:42,730 --> 00:04:40,010 podcasts but I haven't done a free 78 00:04:44,140 --> 00:04:42,740 podcast and well it's been a minute at 79 00:04:45,850 --> 00:04:44,150 least a couple of weeks a little over 80 00:04:49,150 --> 00:04:45,860 that and that's because well there's 81 00:04:55,540 --> 00:04:49,160 been a lot going on I had a trip to Utah 82 00:04:59,409 --> 00:04:55,550 I had a trip to Texas and I also well 83 00:05:03,670 --> 00:04:59,419 went to the storm area51 event to get a 84 00:05:05,980 --> 00:05:03,680 very real and in my opinion honest look 85 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:05,990 at what's going on and it's surrounded 86 00:05:09,969 --> 00:05:08,210 by a lot of controversy and that's 87 00:05:12,700 --> 00:05:09,979 unfortunate because I think it was a big 88 00:05:15,100 --> 00:05:12,710 win much like the original Burning Man 89 00:05:19,719 --> 00:05:15,110 who only had oh I don't know eight 90 00:05:22,570 --> 00:05:19,729 people show up it was a win because you 91 00:05:25,060 --> 00:05:22,580 have people of like mind like attitude 92 00:05:27,850 --> 00:05:25,070 just overall great folks I didn't run 93 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:27,860 into one person I didn't like and really 94 00:05:33,250 --> 00:05:30,050 there was nothing no drama to speak of I 95 00:05:35,590 --> 00:05:33,260 think one person happened to alleviate 96 00:05:37,719 --> 00:05:35,600 themselves in public even though it's 97 00:05:39,450 --> 00:05:37,729 far from public it's quite out there in 98 00:05:42,190 --> 00:05:39,460 the middle of nowhere but that was the 99 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:42,200 that's that's that's the story that the 100 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:44,450 nation God is Oh somebody was arrested 101 00:05:52,990 --> 00:05:47,930 well that's true there was probably just 102 00:05:55,540 --> 00:05:53,000 as many officers and personnel as there 103 00:05:57,909 --> 00:05:55,550 were individuals there by the looks of 104 00:05:59,980 --> 00:05:57,919 it which is good the emergency personnel 105 00:06:01,960 --> 00:05:59,990 were there for a good reason it's a 106 00:06:05,140 --> 00:06:01,970 location that's very difficult to 107 00:06:07,540 --> 00:06:05,150 withstand to just the heat lack of water 108 00:06:10,900 --> 00:06:07,550 lack of services and I think everybody 109 00:06:13,650 --> 00:06:10,910 did a good job and I think it's getting 110 00:06:16,719 --> 00:06:13,660 a bum rap so don't don't let that 111 00:06:19,150 --> 00:06:16,729 narrative discourage you from going in 112 00:06:19,719 --> 00:06:19,160 the future is it for everybody 113 00:06:22,659 --> 00:06:19,729 absolutely 114 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:22,669 not was it for me I don't know I was 115 00:06:27,909 --> 00:06:25,610 there the day before the storm area went 116 00:06:30,519 --> 00:06:27,919 51 events so I can't actually speak as 117 00:06:32,679 --> 00:06:30,529 far as the storm itself but I'll tell 118 00:06:36,450 --> 00:06:32,689 you the calm before the storm was just 119 00:06:40,089 --> 00:06:36,460 amazing great people Paul Oakenfold 120 00:06:41,950 --> 00:06:40,099 showed up and did a concert and that I'm 121 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:41,960 aware I believe it was free that kind of 122 00:06:45,939 --> 00:06:43,849 gives you the idea of what kind of 123 00:06:49,869 --> 00:06:45,949 people were dealing with quality 124 00:06:53,889 --> 00:06:49,879 individuals we also had George Knapp was 125 00:06:55,239 --> 00:06:53,899 there and Jeremy Korbel and it seems 126 00:06:58,450 --> 00:06:55,249 like they're always there when it's a 127 00:07:02,409 --> 00:06:58,460 grassroots type of a event to support 128 00:07:06,339 --> 00:07:02,419 the public and to basically disclose 129 00:07:08,829 --> 00:07:06,349 what it is they know and help out in any 130 00:07:10,510 --> 00:07:08,839 way shape or form that they can and 131 00:07:12,730 --> 00:07:10,520 there were other individuals that were 132 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:12,740 there as well and Dave Rosenfeld you may 133 00:07:18,700 --> 00:07:16,330 know him from the Utah UFO hunters and I 134 00:07:20,409 --> 00:07:18,710 saw a lot of other individuals who I 135 00:07:23,290 --> 00:07:20,419 have a lot of respect for including Nick 136 00:07:26,139 --> 00:07:23,300 Pope and many others too many too many 137 00:07:28,209 --> 00:07:26,149 dimension to be honest but it was very 138 00:07:30,749 --> 00:07:28,219 nice to just see so many people if 139 00:07:34,239 --> 00:07:30,759 you're into this sort of thing you know 140 00:07:37,329 --> 00:07:34,249 taking some time to get away in a place 141 00:07:39,010 --> 00:07:37,339 that is magical to them and to enjoy 142 00:07:42,399 --> 00:07:39,020 each other's company that's really all I 143 00:07:44,709 --> 00:07:42,409 saw now I left before things I guess got 144 00:07:46,869 --> 00:07:44,719 a little bit hectic but it sounds to me 145 00:07:49,689 --> 00:07:46,879 like it was a big one in and my hats off 146 00:07:51,670 --> 00:07:49,699 to Jeremy Korbel to George Knapp and to 147 00:07:54,639 --> 00:07:51,680 all those who took the time and the 148 00:07:55,929 --> 00:07:54,649 effort to go out and actually put their 149 00:07:57,939 --> 00:07:55,939 money where their mouth is there's 150 00:08:00,610 --> 00:07:57,949 there's many people who talk a mean game 151 00:08:04,389 --> 00:08:00,620 but they never show up and armchair 152 00:08:06,369 --> 00:08:04,399 research is great I on doing a lot of it 153 00:08:07,899 --> 00:08:06,379 in my retirement but I'm nowhere close 154 00:08:11,199 --> 00:08:07,909 to being retired and I don't plan on 155 00:08:15,129 --> 00:08:11,209 doing it anytime soon so while these old 156 00:08:16,929 --> 00:08:15,139 legs of mine keep working and I can 157 00:08:17,439 --> 00:08:16,939 still get out there and have a good time 158 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:17,449 with P 159 00:08:23,170 --> 00:08:19,610 people who believe that possibilities 160 00:08:24,939 --> 00:08:23,180 are much greater than the majority of 161 00:08:27,249 --> 00:08:24,949 the public believe well I'll take my 162 00:08:29,739 --> 00:08:27,259 I'll take my chances with those folks I 163 00:08:31,209 --> 00:08:29,749 mean really good people so to everyone 164 00:08:32,740 --> 00:08:31,219 that went out there great thanks to 165 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:32,750 everybody that didn't I guess I should 166 00:08:36,790 --> 00:08:34,370 give you a great thanks too because much 167 00:08:39,009 --> 00:08:36,800 like Burning Man which I haven't ever 168 00:08:42,490 --> 00:08:39,019 gone but I've heard it started very 169 00:08:44,170 --> 00:08:42,500 small I believe you know and and the 170 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:44,180 nice thing is you talk to people that go 171 00:08:48,519 --> 00:08:46,250 now and they say gosh I wish I wish it 172 00:08:51,910 --> 00:08:48,529 was the way it used to be I wish it was 173 00:08:56,230 --> 00:08:51,920 still small and you know it's huge now 174 00:08:58,750 --> 00:08:56,240 so I felt very blessed to be there on 175 00:08:59,829 --> 00:08:58,760 the first event of that type and I 176 00:09:02,170 --> 00:08:59,839 believe they're just going to be very 177 00:09:06,250 --> 00:09:02,180 many more and it would be a yearly thing 178 00:09:09,250 --> 00:09:06,260 and yeah it definitely caught national 179 00:09:11,910 --> 00:09:09,260 attention I guess I guess the reality of 180 00:09:16,420 --> 00:09:11,920 the public not accepting the narrative 181 00:09:17,889 --> 00:09:16,430 that has been spoon-fed to them is it's 182 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:17,899 starting to wear a little bit thin and 183 00:09:21,790 --> 00:09:19,490 people know that there's there's more 184 00:09:23,620 --> 00:09:21,800 going on whatever that is and a lot of 185 00:09:27,189 --> 00:09:23,630 that has to do with your own perception 186 00:09:28,930 --> 00:09:27,199 so my perception was it was a great time 187 00:09:33,430 --> 00:09:28,940 so if you know people that went don't 188 00:09:35,860 --> 00:09:33,440 give them a hard time and something I 189 00:09:38,980 --> 00:09:35,870 should mention we are still plugging 190 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:38,990 forward with podcasts we are doing our 191 00:09:43,420 --> 00:09:40,850 best to bring you the heroes of the 192 00:09:46,050 --> 00:09:43,430 paranormal bringing you everything the 193 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:46,060 hyper anomalous esoteric research 194 00:09:51,430 --> 00:09:49,490 organization can gather and there's many 195 00:09:55,710 --> 00:09:51,440 facets that are involved here we 196 00:09:59,590 --> 00:09:55,720 recently did some research with a group 197 00:10:02,230 --> 00:09:59,600 from all over all over the country from 198 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:02,240 Europe and others and we were involved 199 00:10:06,759 --> 00:10:04,850 with a project call space wolf research 200 00:10:08,769 --> 00:10:06,769 which is really just a little tiny ranch 201 00:10:10,689 --> 00:10:08,779 where we're looking at the sky and 202 00:10:14,860 --> 00:10:10,699 trying to interact with much of the same 203 00:10:18,910 --> 00:10:14,870 type of phenomena that others such as 204 00:10:21,220 --> 00:10:18,920 mr. John Edmonds I have to take my hats 205 00:10:25,250 --> 00:10:21,230 off to II SETI 206 00:10:27,620 --> 00:10:25,260 Gilliland ranch there's there's too many 207 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:27,630 dimension and the more there are the 208 00:10:32,090 --> 00:10:29,610 better in my opinion because this is not 209 00:10:34,580 --> 00:10:32,100 something that should be held by a 210 00:10:37,430 --> 00:10:34,590 select few this is something that is for 211 00:10:41,300 --> 00:10:37,440 all of us and the more of us are out 212 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:41,310 there trying to make it happen I don't 213 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:44,010 think that's a bad thing so let's stay 214 00:10:46,940 --> 00:10:46,290 positive and keep our eyes to the skies 215 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:46,950 right 216 00:10:52,550 --> 00:10:50,250 on another note please support hero 217 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:52,560 paranormal podcast in any way you can go 218 00:10:58,520 --> 00:10:55,650 to hero paranormal comm and there you 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00:12:01,230 the Utah UFO hunters 247 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:05,460 that's a great great site ran by alien 248 00:12:10,460 --> 00:12:08,250 Dave Rosenfeld true veteran in the field 249 00:12:12,950 --> 00:12:10,470 he's come under a lot of scrutiny lately 250 00:12:14,780 --> 00:12:12,960 and some of all of us here in Utah 251 00:12:17,560 --> 00:12:14,790 there's been there's been some movements 252 00:12:19,850 --> 00:12:17,570 towards really just kind of 253 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:19,860 going after anybody that came before 254 00:12:24,949 --> 00:12:22,290 them and trying to blaze their own Trail 255 00:12:28,250 --> 00:12:24,959 and pretend like they came up with all 256 00:12:30,019 --> 00:12:28,260 the answers well they didn't and we 257 00:12:32,030 --> 00:12:30,029 didn't either you gotta pass the baton 258 00:12:35,269 --> 00:12:32,040 and be open-minded and research is 259 00:12:37,100 --> 00:12:35,279 supposed to be a community effort so in 260 00:12:39,530 --> 00:12:37,110 your own community get involved with 261 00:12:41,870 --> 00:12:39,540 these types of research organizations 262 00:12:45,949 --> 00:12:41,880 and support them do the same for other 263 00:12:48,650 --> 00:12:45,959 podcasts I my hat goes off to the higher 264 00:12:50,750 --> 00:12:48,660 side chats and mr. great Carl wood it 265 00:12:53,570 --> 00:12:50,760 was his inspiration really that got me 266 00:12:55,610 --> 00:12:53,580 doing anything at all and the reason is 267 00:12:59,240 --> 00:12:55,620 you know the more we are able to 268 00:13:02,060 --> 00:12:59,250 document and keep a recorded history 269 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:02,070 whether audio or otherwise written 270 00:13:07,010 --> 00:13:03,930 whatever the case may be it's very 271 00:13:09,170 --> 00:13:07,020 important because these are things that 272 00:13:12,740 --> 00:13:09,180 traditionally were only spoken by mouths 273 00:13:15,560 --> 00:13:12,750 and then lost and thus comes the 274 00:13:18,170 --> 00:13:15,570 disbelief well mr. gray Carl Wood has 275 00:13:20,060 --> 00:13:18,180 blazed the path for a phenomenal amount 276 00:13:21,350 --> 00:13:20,070 of podcasts in my opinion I'm not gonna 277 00:13:23,449 --> 00:13:21,360 speak for others but I know he 278 00:13:25,190 --> 00:13:23,459 definitely inspired me and so definitely 279 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:25,200 if you have a chance go to the higher 280 00:13:30,290 --> 00:13:28,410 side chats and donate there become a 281 00:13:34,250 --> 00:13:30,300 patron of that they have the higher side 282 00:13:35,750 --> 00:13:34,260 chats plus it's an epic epic podcast in 283 00:13:39,769 --> 00:13:35,760 all honesty I think it's the best in the 284 00:13:40,730 --> 00:13:39,779 game but we're gonna do our best and I 285 00:13:42,740 --> 00:13:40,740 know that there's a lot of others that 286 00:13:46,340 --> 00:13:42,750 are doing their best and 287 00:13:49,730 --> 00:13:46,350 people like him are very hard to come by 288 00:13:52,550 --> 00:13:49,740 they are true heroes as well in addition 289 00:13:53,300 --> 00:13:52,560 if you're interested in things that go 290 00:13:55,519 --> 00:13:53,310 bump in the night 291 00:13:58,220 --> 00:13:55,529 and research projects that allow the 292 00:14:00,740 --> 00:13:58,230 best of the best researchers to get 293 00:14:02,990 --> 00:14:00,750 their opinions and possibly interact 294 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:03,000 with phenomena in locations that are not 295 00:14:09,879 --> 00:14:05,490 typically accessible go to space wolf 296 00:14:13,009 --> 00:14:09,889 research calm it is a small but very 297 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:13,019 honest research organization that is 298 00:14:19,519 --> 00:14:15,930 continually trying to get to the bottom 299 00:14:22,309 --> 00:14:19,529 of not the answer of but get to the 300 00:14:24,110 --> 00:14:22,319 bottom of the rabbit hole we want to 301 00:14:25,850 --> 00:14:24,120 experience it all see it all and we're 302 00:14:27,889 --> 00:14:25,860 doing so with unconventional methods 303 00:14:29,569 --> 00:14:27,899 well methods that haven't been used 304 00:14:32,569 --> 00:14:29,579 before so we're trying to do our part 305 00:14:35,900 --> 00:14:32,579 and hopefully if we are able to give a 306 00:14:39,559 --> 00:14:35,910 little something that means a big deal 307 00:14:42,100 --> 00:14:39,569 to me and on to our guests mr. John 308 00:14:45,139 --> 00:14:42,110 Edmunds his property has been featured 309 00:14:47,929 --> 00:14:45,149 internationally it holds secrets to what 310 00:14:50,809 --> 00:14:47,939 I believe are the answers to our very 311 00:14:51,439 --> 00:14:50,819 existence and what else exists in this 312 00:14:54,980 --> 00:14:51,449 universe 313 00:14:56,749 --> 00:14:54,990 John Edmunds is a fantastic individual 314 00:14:59,329 --> 00:14:56,759 and I couldn't be more honored that he's 315 00:15:01,939 --> 00:14:59,339 on this podcast please also support John 316 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:01,949 and anything that he does so let's get 317 00:15:08,090 --> 00:15:05,370 to John Edmunds and the mysteries of the 318 00:15:12,679 --> 00:15:08,100 Stardust ranch and see what's new and 319 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:12,689 what's happening now hello John how are 320 00:15:22,819 --> 00:15:19,290 you doing well I am so excited to chat 321 00:15:25,100 --> 00:15:22,829 with you today I am ecstatic to hear 322 00:15:28,129 --> 00:15:25,110 that there there may be some new 323 00:15:30,499 --> 00:15:28,139 developments at the Stardust ranch I I 324 00:15:33,139 --> 00:15:30,509 know that a lot of people are aware you 325 00:15:35,660 --> 00:15:33,149 you've your property is has had 326 00:15:37,249 --> 00:15:35,670 international acclaim if it's kind of 327 00:15:40,369 --> 00:15:37,259 like if people don't know about it 328 00:15:43,009 --> 00:15:40,379 they're probably not too involved with 329 00:15:45,290 --> 00:15:43,019 the paranormal but could you kind of 330 00:15:47,660 --> 00:15:45,300 give us for those that don't know 331 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:47,670 because it there is a pretty big 332 00:15:50,900 --> 00:15:49,290 audience you never know it could you 333 00:15:54,740 --> 00:15:50,910 give us a little bit of background and 334 00:15:55,070 --> 00:15:54,750 history and your experiences on on your 335 00:15:58,190 --> 00:15:55,080 magic 336 00:16:03,800 --> 00:15:58,200 property sir well I don't know about it 337 00:16:05,210 --> 00:16:03,810 being magical it's more like infamous we 338 00:16:10,250 --> 00:16:05,220 bought the ranch 339 00:16:13,460 --> 00:16:10,260 in 1996 moved in June 1st of the same 340 00:16:15,050 --> 00:16:13,470 year thinking that we bought a good 341 00:16:18,410 --> 00:16:15,060 horse property out in the middle of 342 00:16:21,980 --> 00:16:18,420 nowhere about 40 45 miles southwest of 343 00:16:24,410 --> 00:16:21,990 Phoenix Arizona and you know the idea 344 00:16:27,170 --> 00:16:24,420 was to just kind of take this property 345 00:16:30,860 --> 00:16:27,180 and turn it into a nice show property 346 00:16:31,850 --> 00:16:30,870 and rescue horses and turn around and 347 00:16:36,350 --> 00:16:31,860 train the horses 348 00:16:40,070 --> 00:16:36,360 and use them for f-fine therapy with our 349 00:16:43,490 --> 00:16:40,080 veterans and with kids that were not 350 00:16:46,370 --> 00:16:43,500 able to do therapy in a traditional way 351 00:16:48,020 --> 00:16:46,380 you know in an office someplace and to 352 00:16:50,570 --> 00:16:48,030 help women that were survivors of 353 00:16:53,570 --> 00:16:50,580 domestic violence both my wife and I 354 00:16:56,990 --> 00:16:53,580 have backgrounds extensive backgrounds 355 00:16:59,330 --> 00:16:57,000 in providing therapy and counseling and 356 00:17:02,480 --> 00:16:59,340 doing work you know with all those 357 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:02,490 populations and you know I was trying to 358 00:17:08,090 --> 00:17:04,770 kind of combine my love of horses with 359 00:17:10,070 --> 00:17:08,100 my love was trying to help people that 360 00:17:13,430 --> 00:17:10,080 are trying to recover from you know 361 00:17:15,790 --> 00:17:13,440 tough positions in life and you know 362 00:17:18,439 --> 00:17:15,800 different experiences that they've had 363 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:18,449 unfortunately it turned out to be just 364 00:17:23,150 --> 00:17:19,650 about anything but that 365 00:17:24,620 --> 00:17:23,160 we found out after we moved in and after 366 00:17:27,650 --> 00:17:24,630 we've been here for a little bit that 367 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:27,660 the property was smack dab in the middle 368 00:17:35,390 --> 00:17:31,650 of UFO Central and that it was being 369 00:17:39,230 --> 00:17:35,400 visited by ETS from various different 370 00:17:40,130 --> 00:17:39,240 parts of the universe and that we were 371 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:40,140 not wanted here 372 00:17:44,510 --> 00:17:42,330 and that we were going to have to fight 373 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:44,520 for everything that we had and that it 374 00:17:50,030 --> 00:17:46,890 was going to be the battle and sort of 375 00:17:53,060 --> 00:17:50,040 an epic battle for as long as we held 376 00:17:55,100 --> 00:17:53,070 the property now it's been 25 years I've 377 00:17:57,890 --> 00:17:55,110 killed 19 grades that have been here on 378 00:17:59,690 --> 00:17:57,900 the properties that have me every 379 00:18:04,150 --> 00:17:59,700 which way there was try to get rid of us 380 00:18:08,870 --> 00:18:04,160 and so on and so forth it's it's been 381 00:18:11,450 --> 00:18:08,880 the most trying experience of my life 382 00:18:14,210 --> 00:18:11,460 and I had plenty of them and at the same 383 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:14,220 time it's just been unbelievable you 384 00:18:18,740 --> 00:18:16,650 know my wife and I are grounded in you 385 00:18:21,860 --> 00:18:18,750 know mental health and my wife worked 386 00:18:23,360 --> 00:18:21,870 for the FBI as well and you know so the 387 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:23,370 last thing in the world we ever thought 388 00:18:27,830 --> 00:18:25,650 we were ever going to encounter was 389 00:18:31,130 --> 00:18:27,840 anything from you know off-planet 390 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:31,140 and you know we've just struggled all 391 00:18:35,870 --> 00:18:32,970 these years to try to hold the property 392 00:18:38,140 --> 00:18:35,880 and trying to figure out you know how to 393 00:18:40,850 --> 00:18:38,150 deal with it 394 00:18:42,350 --> 00:18:40,860 fascinating John it's it's interesting 395 00:18:44,210 --> 00:18:42,360 and I don't want it I don't want to draw 396 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:44,220 correlations to other paranormal 397 00:18:49,250 --> 00:18:46,410 properties which there's many in Arizona 398 00:18:52,010 --> 00:18:49,260 as you're aware there's also some in 399 00:18:54,710 --> 00:18:52,020 Utah and and I'm reminded you know that 400 00:18:58,880 --> 00:18:54,720 that 1996 date reminds me of the old 401 00:19:02,150 --> 00:18:58,890 Sherman ranch there in Utah and I'm 402 00:19:04,130 --> 00:19:02,160 wondering I'm very interested because it 403 00:19:07,250 --> 00:19:04,140 seems like you know you had such an 404 00:19:09,890 --> 00:19:07,260 altruistic direction for your property 405 00:19:14,450 --> 00:19:09,900 you know the equine therapy veterans and 406 00:19:16,310 --> 00:19:14,460 kids and having the backgrounds you do 407 00:19:18,230 --> 00:19:16,320 with yourself and your wife I mean 408 00:19:20,450 --> 00:19:18,240 having work for the FBI she did and and 409 00:19:22,570 --> 00:19:20,460 I I've noticed this with other 410 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:22,580 individuals who work with the you know 411 00:19:27,050 --> 00:19:25,530 mental health and and people that are 412 00:19:29,090 --> 00:19:27,060 really just trying to do the right thing 413 00:19:32,630 --> 00:19:29,100 that sometimes these altruistic 414 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:32,640 directions can take a really quick turn 415 00:19:40,370 --> 00:19:37,890 now these ETS I'm fascinated by the 416 00:19:44,420 --> 00:19:40,380 theme I think everybody's fascinated by 417 00:19:47,170 --> 00:19:44,430 Gray's but that's because we're not 418 00:19:50,750 --> 00:19:47,180 living with them like you are and and 419 00:19:53,180 --> 00:19:50,760 the majority of people anyway and you 420 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:53,190 mentioned that it's UFO central I think 421 00:19:59,090 --> 00:19:55,290 a lot of people are aware that Arizona 422 00:20:01,670 --> 00:19:59,100 is kind of it's one of those areas that 423 00:20:04,550 --> 00:20:01,680 is fairly fringe there's there something 424 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:04,560 about it and you know I've been to 425 00:20:10,850 --> 00:20:08,490 places like the Bradshaw ranch I have an 426 00:20:12,590 --> 00:20:10,860 acquaintance of mine mr. Ryan Skinner 427 00:20:15,170 --> 00:20:12,600 who I believe has met with you and he 428 00:20:16,580 --> 00:20:15,180 was fascinated to hold the actual 429 00:20:20,420 --> 00:20:16,590 samurai sword he thought you were a 430 00:20:22,670 --> 00:20:20,430 great guy and you know it's just it's 431 00:20:24,350 --> 00:20:22,680 just wild that's such an altruistic 432 00:20:27,500 --> 00:20:24,360 correction for the property would take 433 00:20:29,450 --> 00:20:27,510 such a wild turn do you have any insight 434 00:20:33,110 --> 00:20:29,460 as to what might have caught it with it 435 00:20:36,770 --> 00:20:33,120 has it always been this way well we've 436 00:20:39,650 --> 00:20:36,780 been told part of the background on this 437 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:39,660 place you know because I had like zero 438 00:20:44,660 --> 00:20:42,330 insight about any of this stuff I didn't 439 00:20:47,570 --> 00:20:44,670 even really want to believe too much and 440 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:47,580 eat these or anything I was you know 441 00:20:52,310 --> 00:20:49,410 pretty much just your garden-variety 442 00:20:53,900 --> 00:20:52,320 strict Christian and to me anything that 443 00:20:58,040 --> 00:20:53,910 had anything to do with anything that 444 00:21:00,170 --> 00:20:58,050 wasn't you know clearly good men it was 445 00:21:03,530 --> 00:21:00,180 evil and probably meant it was you know 446 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:03,540 not related to anything to do with 447 00:21:08,540 --> 00:21:06,330 Christianity you know sort of that the 448 00:21:11,690 --> 00:21:08,550 old idea that you know all this stuff 449 00:21:15,140 --> 00:21:11,700 was probably demonic and that it was you 450 00:21:17,090 --> 00:21:15,150 know just downright ugly bad and you 451 00:21:20,030 --> 00:21:17,100 know there was no in-between what I 452 00:21:22,370 --> 00:21:20,040 discovered was is that over time as I 453 00:21:25,310 --> 00:21:22,380 tried to open my mind to try to cope and 454 00:21:28,340 --> 00:21:25,320 understand this thing and that is it's 455 00:21:30,470 --> 00:21:28,350 not that simple yeah definitely there is 456 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:30,480 things that that we would consider to be 457 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:34,890 demonic and but not everything that that 458 00:21:39,830 --> 00:21:37,410 we don't understand is demonic in this 459 00:21:42,770 --> 00:21:39,840 case it's from elsewhere you know I mean 460 00:21:45,950 --> 00:21:42,780 we've got DNA proof we've got photos 461 00:21:48,350 --> 00:21:45,960 we've got video we've got artifacts 462 00:21:50,150 --> 00:21:48,360 you know we've got two portals it just 463 00:21:53,540 --> 00:21:50,160 happened to be on the property and 464 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:53,550 things come through the portal and you 465 00:21:58,610 --> 00:21:56,490 know literally kind of like clue us in 466 00:22:01,910 --> 00:21:58,620 about how all this stuff works and why 467 00:22:05,300 --> 00:22:01,920 it's this way and you know we just 468 00:22:06,470 --> 00:22:05,310 happened to be in the absolutely wrong 469 00:22:09,860 --> 00:22:06,480 place at the wrong time 470 00:22:11,870 --> 00:22:09,870 I mean I I was you know not looking for 471 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:11,880 this kind of an education at all you 472 00:22:16,580 --> 00:22:14,450 know I'm a social worker I'm a therapist 473 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:16,590 you know the last thing in the world I 474 00:22:22,790 --> 00:22:18,770 ever wanted to do was was easy 475 00:22:25,510 --> 00:22:22,800 involuntary you know participant here my 476 00:22:28,940 --> 00:22:25,520 wife certainly even less than than I am 477 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:28,950 so you know the interesting thing about 478 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:31,050 the ranch is you've got skinwalker 479 00:22:35,730 --> 00:22:34,410 you've got Bradshaw and below that but 480 00:22:38,820 --> 00:22:35,740 those other two ranches 481 00:22:41,130 --> 00:22:38,830 you have us and out of the three we're 482 00:22:44,190 --> 00:22:41,140 the only ones that have just stayed and 483 00:22:47,010 --> 00:22:44,200 fought it out I'm you know I'm one of 484 00:22:49,620 --> 00:22:47,020 those guys you know that you know I paid 485 00:22:51,120 --> 00:22:49,630 a cold hard money for this place and 486 00:22:53,100 --> 00:22:51,130 I'll be damned if I'm gonna let it be 487 00:22:56,700 --> 00:22:53,110 run off by a bunch of these little 488 00:22:58,290 --> 00:22:56,710 bastards and you know so I just slugged 489 00:23:00,180 --> 00:22:58,300 it out with them I've given every bit of 490 00:23:03,419 --> 00:23:00,190 the best I could come up with in terms 491 00:23:06,900 --> 00:23:03,429 of retribution and you know a good plate 492 00:23:10,620 --> 00:23:06,910 I'm a I'm a bad loving American and I'm 493 00:23:15,030 --> 00:23:10,630 not giving in any which way amen amen 494 00:23:19,140 --> 00:23:15,040 amen to that John and you know I think 495 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:19,150 you do stand out you you you were able 496 00:23:25,830 --> 00:23:22,090 and have been able to do that and that 497 00:23:28,350 --> 00:23:25,840 truth is is pretty phenomenal I mean you 498 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:28,360 are an individual that isn't after 499 00:23:34,140 --> 00:23:31,210 popularity fame money you're interested 500 00:23:35,870 --> 00:23:34,150 in family and love and the realness of 501 00:23:40,860 --> 00:23:35,880 the entire thing 502 00:23:44,190 --> 00:23:40,870 amen to the being open-minded and to all 503 00:23:48,180 --> 00:23:44,200 this and it's not that simple like you 504 00:23:50,970 --> 00:23:48,190 said that very often it's there's so 505 00:23:53,549 --> 00:23:50,980 many people that want to put things in 506 00:23:57,410 --> 00:23:53,559 boxes you know it's done it's demonic or 507 00:23:59,610 --> 00:23:57,420 its its extraterrestrial or it is 508 00:24:02,930 --> 00:23:59,620 interdimensional and I think all these 509 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:02,940 things as you know better than anyone 510 00:24:06,060 --> 00:24:05,410 there's proof that there's a lot more 511 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:06,070 going on 512 00:24:11,910 --> 00:24:09,490 you have portals opening on the property 513 00:24:15,120 --> 00:24:11,920 and being a social worker and a 514 00:24:16,470 --> 00:24:15,130 therapist how have you dealt this I can 515 00:24:21,060 --> 00:24:16,480 only imagine how have you dealt with 516 00:24:24,930 --> 00:24:21,070 this and your wife interacting with 517 00:24:27,180 --> 00:24:24,940 these beams that don't belong well you 518 00:24:30,090 --> 00:24:27,190 know Ryan it's kind of interesting I'm 519 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:30,100 not a violent person by nature I mean I 520 00:24:36,419 --> 00:24:32,610 grew up pretty hard and chicagoans up 521 00:24:38,970 --> 00:24:36,429 you know which is where I'm from and you 522 00:24:42,180 --> 00:24:38,980 know I grew up in the late 50s and the 523 00:24:44,780 --> 00:24:42,190 60s so I saw a lot of social change and 524 00:24:47,690 --> 00:24:44,790 I had to do a lot of you know personal 525 00:24:50,690 --> 00:24:47,700 adaptation in order to survive and 526 00:24:52,490 --> 00:24:50,700 - you know try to be the best person I 527 00:24:54,529 --> 00:24:52,500 could be so I you know I've been through 528 00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:54,539 a lot of change in my life 529 00:24:58,669 --> 00:24:56,850 and so when this happened here I just 530 00:25:03,049 --> 00:24:58,679 kind of took it in stride and I said 531 00:25:05,539 --> 00:25:03,059 okay you know you know the big picture 532 00:25:07,039 --> 00:25:05,549 is no matter what this is my property 533 00:25:08,659 --> 00:25:07,049 and I'm going to stay here as long as I 534 00:25:11,060 --> 00:25:08,669 want to be here and I'm going to make 535 00:25:13,129 --> 00:25:11,070 sure that these other beings understand 536 00:25:14,659 --> 00:25:13,139 that I have no beef with them but you 537 00:25:16,759 --> 00:25:14,669 don't get to come to my property and 538 00:25:19,759 --> 00:25:16,769 raise hell and get away with it it's 539 00:25:21,409 --> 00:25:19,769 just that simple I make the rules in you 540 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:21,419 guys are gonna deal with it and if you 541 00:25:24,230 --> 00:25:23,010 don't you're gonna get to sharpen a 542 00:25:27,430 --> 00:25:24,240 sword up your ass 543 00:25:32,570 --> 00:25:27,440 and that's exactly what ended up an and 544 00:25:36,379 --> 00:25:32,580 you know samurai sword you know has been 545 00:25:38,360 --> 00:25:36,389 the I don't know sort of the way that 546 00:25:40,340 --> 00:25:38,370 I've been able to protect the property 547 00:25:44,539 --> 00:25:40,350 and protect my animals and protect my 548 00:25:46,159 --> 00:25:44,549 wife at one point she she was attacked 549 00:25:49,669 --> 00:25:46,169 to the point where she was floated out 550 00:25:51,430 --> 00:25:49,679 of the house up into a craft and in a 551 00:25:55,060 --> 00:25:51,440 samurai sword wouldn't work anymore so 552 00:25:58,820 --> 00:25:55,070 ak-47 became the weapon of choice but 553 00:26:01,039 --> 00:25:58,830 beyond that you know I I'm not a violent 554 00:26:02,360 --> 00:26:01,049 person I didn't want to have to struggle 555 00:26:04,820 --> 00:26:02,370 and fight with these things if they 556 00:26:07,279 --> 00:26:04,830 could have just come here and you know 557 00:26:09,379 --> 00:26:07,289 made their peace with me and and we 558 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:09,389 could have coexisted I was cool with it 559 00:26:14,120 --> 00:26:11,730 I would have allowed that but that's not 560 00:26:15,620 --> 00:26:14,130 that's not what they wanted you know 561 00:26:17,570 --> 00:26:15,630 they wanted to be able to kick us off 562 00:26:21,590 --> 00:26:17,580 the property to try to scare us off and 563 00:26:24,919 --> 00:26:21,600 take the property not happening all 564 00:26:27,289 --> 00:26:24,929 right John I mean that is many people 565 00:26:29,419 --> 00:26:27,299 you know you really stand out to me it's 566 00:26:30,710 --> 00:26:29,429 one of the heroes of the paranormal if 567 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:30,720 you want to call it that there's really 568 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:33,570 just so many genres but many people have 569 00:26:39,110 --> 00:26:36,330 not been able to handle these types of 570 00:26:43,190 --> 00:26:39,120 things and your willpower and faith is 571 00:26:45,409 --> 00:26:43,200 obvious the the samurai sword it's 572 00:26:49,700 --> 00:26:45,419 interesting that you use that because 573 00:26:52,220 --> 00:26:49,710 that is such a significant device or 574 00:26:54,980 --> 00:26:52,230 tool at least historically for mankind 575 00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:54,990 you know it takes so much I'm sure 576 00:27:00,010 --> 00:26:57,330 having having had a samurai sword I'm 577 00:27:05,020 --> 00:27:00,020 sure you're aware of the history and 578 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:05,030 and how important that is and I I want 579 00:27:09,730 --> 00:27:07,090 it I know you're not a violent person 580 00:27:13,210 --> 00:27:09,740 but I want to ask if you don't mind 581 00:27:19,780 --> 00:27:13,220 about the experience of the levitation 582 00:27:23,380 --> 00:27:19,790 that with your wife well I mean it just 583 00:27:26,710 --> 00:27:23,390 we throughout these experiences my wife 584 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:26,720 has been sort of what they picked on you 585 00:27:31,300 --> 00:27:28,010 know I don't know if it's just because 586 00:27:34,090 --> 00:27:31,310 she was the most vulnerable but you know 587 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:34,100 if we had experienced after experience 588 00:27:41,470 --> 00:27:38,330 where we'd be asleep at night and I I'm 589 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:41,480 a person that sleeps very lightly and 590 00:27:47,980 --> 00:27:44,930 I'm very aware of my environment and you 591 00:27:49,390 --> 00:27:47,990 know each time that they came they would 592 00:27:52,260 --> 00:27:49,400 try to sneak in in the middle of the 593 00:27:55,090 --> 00:27:52,270 night and try to do something to her and 594 00:27:56,830 --> 00:27:55,100 over several different experiences I 595 00:28:00,520 --> 00:27:56,840 caught them in the process of trying to 596 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:00,530 take her and you know I wasn't having 597 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:02,450 any of that and she was totally asleep 598 00:28:06,370 --> 00:28:03,770 she almost slept through the whole 599 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:06,380 experience until right before she got 600 00:28:11,830 --> 00:28:09,050 lifted up into like through a cone of 601 00:28:16,150 --> 00:28:11,840 light up into one of the ships and you 602 00:28:17,740 --> 00:28:16,160 know she had implored me over and over 603 00:28:20,380 --> 00:28:17,750 and over again no matter what don't let 604 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:20,390 them take me and I said well you realize 605 00:28:24,670 --> 00:28:22,610 something and that is that if I'm out 606 00:28:27,460 --> 00:28:24,680 there having to use a gun of any kind 607 00:28:29,350 --> 00:28:27,470 there's a possibility you might get 608 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:29,360 caught in the crossfire she goes I don't 609 00:28:35,890 --> 00:28:32,090 care do whatever you've got to to save 610 00:28:37,210 --> 00:28:35,900 me and keep me from being taken and you 611 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:37,220 know in this particular case that 612 00:28:43,570 --> 00:28:40,250 occurred I had no choice except to you 613 00:28:45,970 --> 00:28:43,580 know use EA K and you know I'd dump two 614 00:28:49,810 --> 00:28:45,980 clips into the where the cone of light 615 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:49,820 emanated from the ship and they cut off 616 00:28:55,540 --> 00:28:52,490 the light and draft her and she fell on 617 00:28:57,580 --> 00:28:55,550 top of me and I tried to catch her the 618 00:29:00,430 --> 00:28:57,590 best I could but it was about 20 to 25 619 00:29:03,220 --> 00:29:00,440 feet and she's not a real small woman 620 00:29:05,430 --> 00:29:03,230 and so we both ended up getting hurt and 621 00:29:08,740 --> 00:29:05,440 ended up going to the hospital and 622 00:29:10,450 --> 00:29:08,750 within about 72 hours after we went to 623 00:29:13,930 --> 00:29:10,460 the hospital the next thing I know we 624 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:13,940 were we were being visited by Center for 625 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:15,650 Disease Control and a bunch of different 626 00:29:19,930 --> 00:29:18,170 agencies and you name it and you know 627 00:29:21,730 --> 00:29:19,940 you talk about the men in black well 628 00:29:24,100 --> 00:29:21,740 these were like the men in black and 629 00:29:26,620 --> 00:29:24,110 knight suits instead of you know cheap 630 00:29:28,780 --> 00:29:26,630 crummy suits and you know they were 631 00:29:31,210 --> 00:29:28,790 absolutely serious about talking to us 632 00:29:33,390 --> 00:29:31,220 and find out what was happening and you 633 00:29:35,830 --> 00:29:33,400 know how we were surviving and 634 00:29:39,310 --> 00:29:35,840 unfortunately in the case of my wife she 635 00:29:41,770 --> 00:29:39,320 ended up having all of these skin 636 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:41,780 lesions all over her she was terribly 637 00:29:47,290 --> 00:29:43,850 ill she almost died from it she's still 638 00:29:48,970 --> 00:29:47,300 suffering from it and I was fortunate in 639 00:29:51,310 --> 00:29:48,980 the fact that I was really sick with it 640 00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:51,320 for about a week to ten days from 641 00:29:56,950 --> 00:29:54,290 exposure to the radiation but I ended up 642 00:29:58,240 --> 00:29:56,960 recovery and you know I've just been 643 00:30:04,510 --> 00:29:58,250 trying to keep up the good fight 644 00:30:07,330 --> 00:30:04,520 ever since yeah I hear ya that I the the 645 00:30:10,270 --> 00:30:07,340 skin lesions and the sickness and the 646 00:30:12,100 --> 00:30:10,280 radiation I'm sure you've heard of 647 00:30:14,350 --> 00:30:12,110 Morgellons and I mean this is very 648 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:14,360 common there's there's that the center 649 00:30:19,770 --> 00:30:16,370 of Disease Control showing up I mean 650 00:30:22,090 --> 00:30:19,780 that is kind of like weirdness times 10 651 00:30:26,500 --> 00:30:22,100 it there's a lot 652 00:30:28,510 --> 00:30:26,510 I'm originally from Utah and I visited 653 00:30:31,690 --> 00:30:28,520 some areas that you're aware of that are 654 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:31,700 very you know interesting as well it's 655 00:30:35,890 --> 00:30:33,290 similar to yours 656 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:35,900 I'm fascinated when she was dropped from 657 00:30:41,380 --> 00:30:38,450 the ship the I I know I couldn't I 658 00:30:44,260 --> 00:30:41,390 couldn't catch my wife and I'm sure that 659 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:44,270 the injuries were substantial so I mean 660 00:30:49,750 --> 00:30:46,570 you're kind of a hero in that respect 661 00:30:51,340 --> 00:30:49,760 what did the what did this spaceship 662 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:51,350 look like I know you mentioned that 663 00:30:55,270 --> 00:30:53,450 there was a cone of light and I know 664 00:30:57,780 --> 00:30:55,280 whitley strieber is mentioned something 665 00:31:00,670 --> 00:30:57,790 very similar to that and although these 666 00:31:01,810 --> 00:31:00,680 motive I don't want to I don't want to 667 00:31:06,010 --> 00:31:01,820 put them in boxes 668 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:06,020 John but I know that the others as many 669 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:08,690 call them these creatures that sneak in 670 00:31:12,490 --> 00:31:11,090 and abduct people and I'm sure they 671 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:12,500 would have abducted your wife if you 672 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:15,770 weren't such a light sleeper and they go 673 00:31:21,580 --> 00:31:17,570 after you know obviously this is what 674 00:31:23,380 --> 00:31:21,590 they do what do you think their 675 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:23,390 motivations are I know that that's just 676 00:31:28,070 --> 00:31:24,690 a theory 677 00:31:28,970 --> 00:31:28,080 we don't know but you probably being at 678 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:28,980 ground zero 679 00:31:33,020 --> 00:31:31,290 do you have any idea what their 680 00:31:35,030 --> 00:31:33,030 motivations were what did their ship 681 00:31:38,660 --> 00:31:35,040 look like I have so many questions man 682 00:31:40,820 --> 00:31:38,670 it's like unreal well as far as 683 00:31:43,850 --> 00:31:40,830 motivation goes realized something ran I 684 00:31:47,330 --> 00:31:43,860 had never had one bit of communication 685 00:31:49,610 --> 00:31:47,340 with these teams at all you know I tried 686 00:31:52,310 --> 00:31:49,620 I mean I you know I did everything from 687 00:31:55,790 --> 00:31:52,320 I mean I literally you know put up 688 00:31:58,250 --> 00:31:55,800 pictures on the walls of the you know I 689 00:32:00,080 --> 00:31:58,260 tried to find ways to communicate with 690 00:32:03,110 --> 00:32:00,090 them I did I did everything I could in 691 00:32:05,890 --> 00:32:03,120 lis think of you know I've tried you 692 00:32:08,630 --> 00:32:05,900 know not fighting with them I have tried 693 00:32:11,590 --> 00:32:08,640 you know standing there staring at them 694 00:32:14,330 --> 00:32:11,600 until they disappeared I mean you know 695 00:32:17,030 --> 00:32:14,340 the bottom line is is that you know that 696 00:32:18,650 --> 00:32:17,040 they date I have a feeling they've been 697 00:32:20,660 --> 00:32:18,660 doing this for a long time to various 698 00:32:23,210 --> 00:32:20,670 different people and so they're kind of 699 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:23,220 used to being able to scare people and 700 00:32:27,980 --> 00:32:25,530 get away with it it's intimidation it's 701 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:27,990 a matter of most people don't have 702 00:32:32,570 --> 00:32:29,850 enough control over their emotions to be 703 00:32:33,350 --> 00:32:32,580 able to you know figure out what they 704 00:32:36,290 --> 00:32:33,360 want to do next 705 00:32:37,910 --> 00:32:36,300 my thing was I I warned them in no 706 00:32:40,490 --> 00:32:37,920 uncertain terms that I was going to 707 00:32:42,620 --> 00:32:40,500 fight them every which way and that I 708 00:32:44,180 --> 00:32:42,630 didn't want to do that but you know they 709 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:44,190 weren't welcome and just you know come 710 00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:46,770 in my house like predators and hurt my 711 00:32:51,140 --> 00:32:49,170 animals and hurt my wife well and try to 712 00:32:53,660 --> 00:32:51,150 hurt me I got scars all over me I mean 713 00:32:56,180 --> 00:32:53,670 bad scars you know I look like a like I 714 00:32:59,090 --> 00:32:56,190 was a night fighter for a profession or 715 00:33:04,220 --> 00:32:59,100 something and you know I mean I went 716 00:33:06,350 --> 00:33:04,230 from 280 pounds down to 160 due to you 717 00:33:09,410 --> 00:33:06,360 know becoming ill because of this whole 718 00:33:11,140 --> 00:33:09,420 thing you know like I told you before my 719 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:11,150 wife's dying from it I mean she has a 720 00:33:16,730 --> 00:33:14,730 literally you know a life-threatening 721 00:33:18,860 --> 00:33:16,740 disease that there's no cure from and 722 00:33:20,750 --> 00:33:18,870 you know we've been told that there's 723 00:33:22,790 --> 00:33:20,760 lots of people that have been on 724 00:33:24,860 --> 00:33:22,800 recovery teens and all sorts of things 725 00:33:27,590 --> 00:33:24,870 around the world anytime you have the 726 00:33:28,790 --> 00:33:27,600 exposure to these craft it's quite 727 00:33:31,670 --> 00:33:28,800 likely you're going to come down with 728 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:31,680 these illnesses so you know this is you 729 00:33:36,710 --> 00:33:34,890 know we're just one more case amongst 730 00:33:37,310 --> 00:33:36,720 many that are out there the bottom line 731 00:33:38,900 --> 00:33:37,320 is 732 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:38,910 the only person that came out and talked 733 00:33:43,130 --> 00:33:41,010 about it you know I'm not like all these 734 00:33:47,630 --> 00:33:43,140 other paranormal guys that are out there 735 00:33:49,820 --> 00:33:47,640 you know rehashing stories about you 736 00:33:52,490 --> 00:33:49,830 know experiences that happen you know 50 737 00:33:54,980 --> 00:33:52,500 60 70 years ago this is here and now 738 00:33:58,310 --> 00:33:54,990 this is real this is you know this is 739 00:34:00,140 --> 00:33:58,320 what's happening and you know there are 740 00:34:02,330 --> 00:34:00,150 these ships there are these groups there 741 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:02,340 are many different branches of ETS that 742 00:34:08,090 --> 00:34:05,610 are out there species they are coming to 743 00:34:10,159 --> 00:34:08,100 the - you know the earth and they are 744 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:10,169 some of them been here for thousands of 745 00:34:14,290 --> 00:34:12,570 years it's just that you know people 746 00:34:17,419 --> 00:34:14,300 just don't come out and talk about it 747 00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:17,429 you know I'm the only one I guess they 748 00:34:24,169 --> 00:34:20,850 did you know his head the I don't know 749 00:34:29,930 --> 00:34:24,179 the all to come out and talk about it 750 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:29,940 I have to agree John then and as far as 751 00:34:33,290 --> 00:34:32,010 coming to earth you're so on point I 752 00:34:34,850 --> 00:34:33,300 think you're right they've been here 753 00:34:37,490 --> 00:34:34,860 possibly longer than we have 754 00:34:40,159 --> 00:34:37,500 or at least visiting the planet I i 755 00:34:42,169 --> 00:34:40,169 recently this is something I probably 756 00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:42,179 shouldn't have taken on but I recently 757 00:34:47,750 --> 00:34:44,850 purchased a property south of the old 758 00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:47,760 Sherman ranch adjacent to one of the 759 00:34:54,470 --> 00:34:51,090 most active spots and I've run into 760 00:34:58,550 --> 00:34:54,480 nothing but trouble and you're the only 761 00:34:58,940 --> 00:34:58,560 one I know who has basically for over 20 762 00:35:04,640 --> 00:34:58,950 years 763 00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:04,650 I've been able to be at ground zero so 764 00:35:15,530 --> 00:35:11,090 to speak and you've been able to well 765 00:35:17,750 --> 00:35:15,540 you've worn them you've you fought with 766 00:35:19,750 --> 00:35:17,760 them you've reached out so to speak 767 00:35:22,100 --> 00:35:19,760 you've tried to be peaceful with them 768 00:35:24,890 --> 00:35:22,110 they've been doing this for a long time 769 00:35:26,810 --> 00:35:24,900 they it's really interesting John 770 00:35:29,450 --> 00:35:26,820 something that really really kind of 771 00:35:33,500 --> 00:35:29,460 struck a chord with me one of my best 772 00:35:37,430 --> 00:35:33,510 friends yeah he is I would consider him 773 00:35:41,660 --> 00:35:37,440 a contact D and you mentioned control 774 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:41,670 over your emotions and he often mentions 775 00:35:46,450 --> 00:35:44,010 to me that that was the message that if 776 00:35:49,700 --> 00:35:46,460 you're able to control your emotions 777 00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:49,710 that that is a big deal and you've done 778 00:35:59,410 --> 00:35:50,490 that 779 00:36:03,320 --> 00:35:59,420 light of all this I mean it's a war zone 780 00:36:07,820 --> 00:36:03,330 it is it truly is right I grew up in a 781 00:36:09,500 --> 00:36:07,830 time when I was very interested in the 782 00:36:15,530 --> 00:36:09,510 martial arts I was very interested in 783 00:36:20,390 --> 00:36:15,540 kung fu' and I studied on my own as well 784 00:36:22,250 --> 00:36:20,400 as actually had some instruction and one 785 00:36:27,350 --> 00:36:22,260 of the first things you learn and that 786 00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:27,360 is is that the body is something that if 787 00:36:36,350 --> 00:36:33,810 you listen to it and you learn to master 788 00:36:39,250 --> 00:36:36,360 it you're in a position where you can 789 00:36:41,300 --> 00:36:39,260 control almost every aspect of it and 790 00:36:46,370 --> 00:36:41,310 one of the things that I learned very 791 00:36:48,980 --> 00:36:46,380 early and that was that that fear is not 792 00:36:53,270 --> 00:36:48,990 an element of control so you cannot 793 00:36:56,359 --> 00:36:53,280 allow fear to manifest in you and for 794 00:36:58,760 --> 00:36:56,369 you to look to react to it and so I have 795 00:37:01,250 --> 00:36:58,770 no fear of anything you know I fully 796 00:37:03,230 --> 00:37:01,260 accept the fact that I'm vulnerable and 797 00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:03,240 fully accept the fact that you know 798 00:37:08,240 --> 00:37:06,210 anything could happen but I choose for 799 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:08,250 those things not to happen and so I 800 00:37:14,270 --> 00:37:11,010 choose for myself to be an instrument of 801 00:37:16,910 --> 00:37:14,280 my own control and so I'm in a position 802 00:37:20,510 --> 00:37:16,920 where you know when I'm in these 803 00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:20,520 firefighting experiences I'm you know 804 00:37:25,910 --> 00:37:23,490 I'm fully I'm completely you know 805 00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:25,920 manifested of my ability to control 806 00:37:30,890 --> 00:37:29,130 every aspect of myself and that's why 807 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:30,900 the samurai sword is such a good weapon 808 00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:34,170 for me because it allows me to be able 809 00:37:39,650 --> 00:37:36,690 to reach out and do exactly what I need 810 00:37:43,190 --> 00:37:39,660 to do and I asked oh I live in a brick 811 00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:43,200 house literally it is a huge brick house 812 00:37:50,540 --> 00:37:47,970 and guns guns are not a good thing 813 00:37:53,030 --> 00:37:50,550 bullets bounce and you know they do a 814 00:37:56,720 --> 00:37:53,040 lot of damage so the samurai sword is a 815 00:37:58,849 --> 00:37:56,730 much better weapon of Defense yeah 816 00:38:01,010 --> 00:37:58,859 I was I was mesmerized by that because I 817 00:38:02,900 --> 00:38:01,020 think you're absolutely right the 818 00:38:03,700 --> 00:38:02,910 samurai sword I mean for thousands of 819 00:38:06,849 --> 00:38:03,710 years 820 00:38:08,980 --> 00:38:06,859 i I'm amazed by you know I've studied 821 00:38:10,720 --> 00:38:08,990 the samurai and exactly what you're 822 00:38:14,410 --> 00:38:10,730 saying is is just it's just really 823 00:38:18,250 --> 00:38:14,420 striking a lot of interest with me 824 00:38:21,490 --> 00:38:18,260 because they were in fact very in tune 825 00:38:23,170 --> 00:38:21,500 with their surroundings and always aware 826 00:38:25,569 --> 00:38:23,180 of their peripheral and the samurai 827 00:38:27,549 --> 00:38:25,579 sword is you know it keeps them at a 828 00:38:29,859 --> 00:38:27,559 distance that if they're that close to 829 00:38:31,870 --> 00:38:29,869 you they deserve what they get and I 830 00:38:33,490 --> 00:38:31,880 think you're a very peaceful man I don't 831 00:38:35,799 --> 00:38:33,500 think you're a violent man I think we 832 00:38:38,020 --> 00:38:35,809 were I mean obviously you're Christian 833 00:38:41,140 --> 00:38:38,030 you're aware of the body and were built 834 00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:41,150 in his image and we are divined and the 835 00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:42,770 fact that you have no fear yet you're 836 00:38:49,329 --> 00:38:46,130 vulnerable and you control every aspect 837 00:38:55,170 --> 00:38:49,339 of this do you think when it stepped up 838 00:38:58,299 --> 00:38:55,180 to the firefight experiences what what 839 00:39:01,569 --> 00:38:58,309 what were you like I guess what I'm 840 00:39:03,339 --> 00:39:01,579 trying to ask is obviously that's kind 841 00:39:06,010 --> 00:39:03,349 of taken it to the next level they it 842 00:39:12,220 --> 00:39:06,020 sounds like they started to make it even 843 00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:12,230 more personal well and that is there is 844 00:39:18,339 --> 00:39:15,170 not a moment during these experiences 845 00:39:20,859 --> 00:39:18,349 that I haven't been in prayer I have 846 00:39:24,010 --> 00:39:20,869 always asked for forgiveness 847 00:39:26,470 --> 00:39:24,020 I have always asked for guidance and I 848 00:39:29,829 --> 00:39:26,480 have always been in a place where I had 849 00:39:33,099 --> 00:39:29,839 you know said Lord I am deeply deeply 850 00:39:34,870 --> 00:39:33,109 troubled by these experiences and I 851 00:39:36,579 --> 00:39:34,880 don't want them to go the way they're 852 00:39:40,029 --> 00:39:36,589 going but I don't know what else to do 853 00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:40,039 and I've asked to have you know some 854 00:39:48,279 --> 00:39:46,490 kind of help and along the way I got 855 00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:48,289 some of that help I actually ended up 856 00:39:54,730 --> 00:39:51,650 being introduced to several other races 857 00:39:59,319 --> 00:39:54,740 and at this point we have one race that 858 00:40:04,120 --> 00:39:59,329 has interceded and most of the violence 859 00:40:07,660 --> 00:40:04,130 has ended we we've been fortunate that 860 00:40:09,849 --> 00:40:07,670 way and I literally have you know 861 00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:09,859 photographic images these beings that 862 00:40:15,250 --> 00:40:12,130 allowed me to photograph them up close 863 00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:15,260 so I have proof that they're here and 864 00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:16,290 that they 865 00:40:21,110 --> 00:40:18,210 have now basically taken over the 866 00:40:23,090 --> 00:40:21,120 management of the ranch in terms of you 867 00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:23,100 know and the grades every are terrified 868 00:40:30,050 --> 00:40:26,570 of these things the Mantis beings are 869 00:40:33,130 --> 00:40:30,060 absolutely will not tolerate the kind of 870 00:40:36,950 --> 00:40:33,140 stuff that has been going on here and I 871 00:40:40,490 --> 00:40:36,960 guess they they I don't know they heard 872 00:40:44,270 --> 00:40:40,500 my prayers are heard my cries for help 873 00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:44,280 and we're not having the kind of violent 874 00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:46,050 experiences that we used to have here 875 00:40:49,660 --> 00:40:46,770 anymore 876 00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:49,670 and it all happened due to the fact that 877 00:40:55,370 --> 00:40:53,490 one of them showed up and it didn't 878 00:40:58,850 --> 00:40:55,380 speak to me or communicate with me all I 879 00:41:01,580 --> 00:40:58,860 did was stand there in front of me and I 880 00:41:02,990 --> 00:41:01,590 was shocked to see it because you know 881 00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:03,000 most of the stuff just sounds like a 882 00:41:06,740 --> 00:41:05,370 bunch of hokey BS but the problem is is 883 00:41:08,630 --> 00:41:06,750 that when it happens to you you don't 884 00:41:11,900 --> 00:41:08,640 have a choice except to believe it and 885 00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:11,910 that's what happened and so I I just 886 00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:13,650 that there are so they're in front of 887 00:41:17,450 --> 00:41:15,210 this being and I said I hope you're here 888 00:41:19,010 --> 00:41:17,460 for good I'm not interested in fighting 889 00:41:19,580 --> 00:41:19,020 with you and not interested in trying to 890 00:41:22,130 --> 00:41:19,590 hurt you 891 00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:22,140 in fact if you could I wish you with you 892 00:41:27,740 --> 00:41:24,810 would Bank wish the grades that are here 893 00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:27,750 and ever since that time that the grades 894 00:41:32,270 --> 00:41:29,490 are still here they come and they go but 895 00:41:35,090 --> 00:41:32,280 they have not made any attempts to hurt 896 00:41:37,190 --> 00:41:35,100 me or to hurt my wife or to hurt my 897 00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:37,200 animals they just seem to come and go 898 00:41:42,410 --> 00:41:40,290 very rapidly and you see them for a few 899 00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:42,420 seconds as they they kind of go in and 900 00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:45,410 out of phase and then they're gone and 901 00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:48,810 every once in a while this this mantis 902 00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:51,330 shows up and it just kind of walks 903 00:41:55,570 --> 00:41:53,850 through and and that's it I mean it's 904 00:41:59,000 --> 00:41:55,580 kind of like saying hey you know what 905 00:42:01,160 --> 00:41:59,010 we're here even we're in charge and I 906 00:42:05,270 --> 00:42:01,170 think it's gonna hurt you so you know I 907 00:42:08,540 --> 00:42:05,280 I'm very cool with that that's that John 908 00:42:10,460 --> 00:42:08,550 I think that's great that you but you 909 00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:10,470 know I I don't like to go down that like 910 00:42:14,780 --> 00:42:12,570 extremely of course I'm Christian and 911 00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:14,790 but I don't want to you know turn it 912 00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:18,090 into a religious podcast but I think 913 00:42:21,500 --> 00:42:19,050 that's great that you're praying for 914 00:42:23,060 --> 00:42:21,510 forgiveness and with you know with him 915 00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:23,070 all things are possible your ability to 916 00:42:29,850 --> 00:42:26,450 succeed is obviously been proven and 917 00:42:33,090 --> 00:42:29,860 these beings these these several other 918 00:42:35,270 --> 00:42:33,100 races the it just kind of goes to show 919 00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:35,280 there's there's good and bad the greys 920 00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:38,650 you know I know a lot of people think of 921 00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:41,290 them as order takers or worker bees but 922 00:42:46,950 --> 00:42:43,570 the Mantis I mean they they're perhaps 923 00:42:49,020 --> 00:42:46,960 the most mysterious and a lot of people 924 00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:49,030 call them the overseers and I know when 925 00:42:53,340 --> 00:42:51,490 I ever whenever I see an actual like 926 00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:53,350 just just a praying mantis in the yard 927 00:42:59,370 --> 00:42:56,410 or the garden or in the outdoors I do my 928 00:43:01,950 --> 00:42:59,380 best to you know make sure that it's 929 00:43:05,460 --> 00:43:01,960 safe and and what does the Mantis do it 930 00:43:08,130 --> 00:43:05,470 takes it eats the other bugs I mean I 931 00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:08,140 don't want to talk in riddles but they 932 00:43:13,650 --> 00:43:11,530 they appear to be it's it's interesting 933 00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:13,660 that you put them in that light because 934 00:43:19,380 --> 00:43:16,810 I've heard a very interesting story in a 935 00:43:21,180 --> 00:43:19,390 place called Fruitland Utah where some 936 00:43:25,620 --> 00:43:21,190 individuals had some experiences with 937 00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:25,630 mantis and the Mantis they got the exact 938 00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:31,690 same vibration or the specific idea that 939 00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:34,210 you were trying to get across that they 940 00:43:45,150 --> 00:43:42,010 are more positive right well I mean I 941 00:43:47,490 --> 00:43:45,160 and I'm grateful that you know order has 942 00:43:52,710 --> 00:43:47,500 been sort of restored here to a certain 943 00:43:54,420 --> 00:43:52,720 extent you know honestly this is not 944 00:43:56,850 --> 00:43:54,430 some place that I plan to stay for the 945 00:43:59,340 --> 00:43:56,860 rest of my life you know I'm hoping to 946 00:44:02,310 --> 00:43:59,350 kind of just clean up the ranch and used 947 00:44:04,590 --> 00:44:02,320 it for other purposes and you know move 948 00:44:08,270 --> 00:44:04,600 away someplace where we can do what our 949 00:44:11,010 --> 00:44:08,280 original plan was you know but we'll see 950 00:44:16,370 --> 00:44:11,020 recently I've had an individual come 951 00:44:18,810 --> 00:44:16,380 forward that managed to procure 952 00:44:22,050 --> 00:44:18,820 photographs of the ranch from a 953 00:44:23,940 --> 00:44:22,060 satellite at least this is how he tells 954 00:44:28,170 --> 00:44:23,950 the story and the photographs that I've 955 00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:28,180 seen are kind of mind-blowing because we 956 00:44:32,610 --> 00:44:30,130 were told originally that there was some 957 00:44:34,830 --> 00:44:32,620 kind of object that was under the ranch 958 00:44:37,230 --> 00:44:34,840 and we've been told that over and over 959 00:44:40,470 --> 00:44:37,240 and over again and a few years ago 960 00:44:42,660 --> 00:44:40,480 Robert Bigelow sent out a crew here to 961 00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:42,670 investigate the ranch and they were here 962 00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:44,050 for almost a week 963 00:44:48,940 --> 00:44:46,490 and we were told that they would tell us 964 00:44:52,180 --> 00:44:48,950 at the end of the the exploration 965 00:44:54,849 --> 00:44:52,190 process what was here well they go 966 00:44:56,740 --> 00:44:54,859 offered to buy the ranch many times but 967 00:44:59,560 --> 00:44:56,750 he never wanted to pay anything that was 968 00:45:03,010 --> 00:44:59,570 for selling it for and so I refused to 969 00:45:04,690 --> 00:45:03,020 sell it to him and he refused I guess to 970 00:45:06,550 --> 00:45:04,700 give me the information because I never 971 00:45:09,250 --> 00:45:06,560 received it well somehow or another 972 00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:09,260 somebody managed to get that information 973 00:45:14,140 --> 00:45:12,170 and we were able to actually see some of 974 00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:14,150 the photographs and it looks like there 975 00:45:20,260 --> 00:45:16,970 is a ship or some kind of very large 976 00:45:25,240 --> 00:45:20,270 object underneath the ranch and it may 977 00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:25,250 be that that is key to the different 978 00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:26,810 things that are here and why they're 979 00:45:32,460 --> 00:45:29,090 here and that this has been here for you 980 00:45:35,109 --> 00:45:32,470 know hundreds if not thousands of years 981 00:45:37,210 --> 00:45:35,119 and that was what I was alluding to when 982 00:45:40,870 --> 00:45:37,220 I said that we have some surprising new 983 00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:40,880 developments because very clearly there 984 00:45:45,970 --> 00:45:43,970 is something here under the range that 985 00:45:50,020 --> 00:45:45,980 is a surprising new development John 986 00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:50,030 that's you know Robert Bigelow as you 987 00:45:56,410 --> 00:45:54,290 know I know you're aware is definitely a 988 00:45:58,780 --> 00:45:56,420 pioneer in this and and if there's some 989 00:46:01,599 --> 00:45:58,790 kind of object under the ranch 990 00:46:04,359 --> 00:46:01,609 is that that that's that's that's huge 991 00:46:06,370 --> 00:46:04,369 that is huge information it's 992 00:46:07,660 --> 00:46:06,380 interesting that you mentioned it's a 993 00:46:13,750 --> 00:46:07,670 ship or something under the ranch 994 00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:13,760 because an individual near the Uintah 995 00:46:19,090 --> 00:46:17,450 base well it's it's very close to the 996 00:46:22,090 --> 00:46:19,100 epicenter of some of some of the 997 00:46:26,650 --> 00:46:22,100 activity an individual also that I know 998 00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:26,660 very he's good guy he shot at something 999 00:46:35,620 --> 00:46:30,890 and he was visited much like you were by 1000 00:46:37,870 --> 00:46:35,630 some government types afterwards and he 1001 00:46:40,630 --> 00:46:37,880 also was shown some of these satellite 1002 00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:40,640 images that when he told me about them 1003 00:46:44,890 --> 00:46:42,530 and I don't want to put I don't want to 1004 00:46:48,099 --> 00:46:44,900 mess his words up but it was more along 1005 00:46:50,349 --> 00:46:48,109 the lines of the clarity he didn't know 1006 00:46:52,090 --> 00:46:50,359 if it was a drone or a satellite but the 1007 00:46:54,850 --> 00:46:52,100 you know the high-definition there was 1008 00:46:56,410 --> 00:46:54,860 they had footage of of him 1009 00:46:59,680 --> 00:46:56,420 actually shooting at this and said you 1010 00:47:01,930 --> 00:46:59,690 can't do that anymore well regardless of 1011 00:47:06,010 --> 00:47:01,940 that I think that's a human reaction and 1012 00:47:09,010 --> 00:47:06,020 and and I hate to go back to the Mantis 1013 00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:09,020 but you know in Native American and 1014 00:47:14,740 --> 00:47:12,170 African folklore the I believe it's the 1015 00:47:17,260 --> 00:47:14,750 cohesion tribe of Africa specifically 1016 00:47:20,500 --> 00:47:17,270 regard the Mantis as possibly the first 1017 00:47:23,380 --> 00:47:20,510 living creature upon earth who you know 1018 00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:23,390 that I think that might be interesting 1019 00:47:28,300 --> 00:47:25,490 just from the other nough spective that 1020 00:47:31,210 --> 00:47:28,310 you know these are both depending on 1021 00:47:34,150 --> 00:47:31,220 what people think of greys or not what 1022 00:47:38,020 --> 00:47:34,160 is your opinion of the greys and what do 1023 00:47:40,090 --> 00:47:38,030 you think they're doing well I I'm very 1024 00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:40,100 aware that there's various different 1025 00:47:45,430 --> 00:47:42,770 varieties of greys you know we've seen 1026 00:47:48,250 --> 00:47:45,440 the little ones that are about three and 1027 00:47:51,340 --> 00:47:48,260 a half feet tall we've seen some that 1028 00:47:54,940 --> 00:47:51,350 are about maybe five feet tall and then 1029 00:47:58,720 --> 00:47:54,950 we've seen some that are the tall white 1030 00:48:01,570 --> 00:47:58,730 greys that are at least 6 feet tall I'm 1031 00:48:06,310 --> 00:48:01,580 six-three and they're they're almost my 1032 00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:06,320 size those don't seem to be particularly 1033 00:48:14,580 --> 00:48:08,810 violent they just seem to be there for 1034 00:48:17,500 --> 00:48:14,590 kind of like managerial or supervisory 1035 00:48:19,810 --> 00:48:17,510 responsibilities but the small ones and 1036 00:48:23,740 --> 00:48:19,820 the mid-sized ones are the ones that 1037 00:48:27,940 --> 00:48:23,750 that you know get into all the bad 1038 00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:27,950 behavior and and I've had and and you 1039 00:48:35,620 --> 00:48:31,130 know fights with the small ones and the 1040 00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:35,630 mid-sized ones and they literally seem 1041 00:48:40,570 --> 00:48:38,570 to kind of like pop in and out they 1042 00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:40,580 don't move like you know humans do where 1043 00:48:45,010 --> 00:48:41,330 humans 1044 00:48:49,660 --> 00:48:45,020 you know have a you know bipedal 1045 00:48:52,530 --> 00:48:49,670 locomotion they literally just kind of 1046 00:48:55,690 --> 00:48:52,540 disappear from one one place to another 1047 00:48:57,700 --> 00:48:55,700 instantaneously and they just seem to go 1048 00:49:00,960 --> 00:48:57,710 in and out of face and you have to kind 1049 00:49:05,020 --> 00:49:00,970 of calculate where they're going to be 1050 00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:05,030 you know in the next one they when they 1051 00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:06,890 kind of pop back in I mean I hate to say 1052 00:49:13,580 --> 00:49:08,490 it but it's it's 1053 00:49:14,990 --> 00:49:13,590 it's sort of a guessing game but I once 1054 00:49:17,660 --> 00:49:15,000 you've been around them long enough easy 1055 00:49:19,790 --> 00:49:17,670 it's like you know how you have a chess 1056 00:49:22,340 --> 00:49:19,800 match and you have different pieces that 1057 00:49:23,830 --> 00:49:22,350 move in different positions it's kind of 1058 00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:23,840 the same thing 1059 00:49:30,350 --> 00:49:27,650 amazing when I think it's interesting 1060 00:49:32,810 --> 00:49:30,360 very interesting you say it's a guessing 1061 00:49:35,450 --> 00:49:32,820 game because I've spoken with some other 1062 00:49:39,170 --> 00:49:35,460 individuals who had some time research 1063 00:49:41,420 --> 00:49:39,180 centers etc where they claim to have 1064 00:49:44,690 --> 00:49:41,430 portal activity and that's what they say 1065 00:49:46,340 --> 00:49:44,700 that it is this guessing game that you 1066 00:49:50,990 --> 00:49:46,350 can either be right or you can be wrong 1067 00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:51,000 and the the popping in and out I mean 1068 00:49:58,010 --> 00:49:54,210 that sounds very dimensional it is it 1069 00:50:00,230 --> 00:49:58,020 with the hand-to-hand combat I I want to 1070 00:50:02,660 --> 00:50:00,240 ask a con so many questions done this is 1071 00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:02,670 so amazing but what did they feel like 1072 00:50:10,970 --> 00:50:05,970 to you you actually had contact like 1073 00:50:14,540 --> 00:50:10,980 physical contact they kind of have the 1074 00:50:15,830 --> 00:50:14,550 skin texture of like a snake you know 1075 00:50:19,490 --> 00:50:15,840 like if you were touching a boa 1076 00:50:21,610 --> 00:50:19,500 constrictor or a Python they're not warm 1077 00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:21,620 to the touch and all they're sort of a 1078 00:50:30,650 --> 00:50:26,090 cool you know sort of a neutral 1079 00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:30,660 temperature they have a sort of I don't 1080 00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:33,570 know it's there's it's a very strange 1081 00:50:39,050 --> 00:50:37,050 thing I mean I mean I've ended up sort 1082 00:50:41,390 --> 00:50:39,060 of you know unfortunately I bet to play 1083 00:50:44,630 --> 00:50:41,400 like alien whack-a-mole with them and 1084 00:50:46,700 --> 00:50:44,640 you know stand off and you know and 1085 00:50:49,310 --> 00:50:46,710 vitamins like I said man to and you know 1086 00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:49,320 if you take the edge it's everything in 1087 00:50:53,720 --> 00:50:52,290 tennis and the body stays if you don't 1088 00:50:58,760 --> 00:50:53,730 take the edge just the whole thing 1089 00:51:01,310 --> 00:50:58,770 disappears they in some cases they smell 1090 00:51:02,660 --> 00:51:01,320 like absolute rotten garbage I mean they 1091 00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:02,670 smell like spoiled meat they're 1092 00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:08,850 disgusting horrible smelling I don't 1093 00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:11,130 know I you know I don't have the first 1094 00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:14,370 notion of why they're here you know 1095 00:51:19,310 --> 00:51:16,290 nothing's ever been explained to me this 1096 00:51:21,410 --> 00:51:19,320 place didn't come with like a DVD you 1097 00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:21,420 know or sort of written instructions or 1098 00:51:23,550 --> 00:51:21,970 nothing I'm 1099 00:51:25,530 --> 00:51:23,560 I just literally walked in off the 1100 00:51:28,380 --> 00:51:25,540 street and just started having problems 1101 00:51:30,060 --> 00:51:28,390 practically from day one and you know 1102 00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:30,070 I've just kind of had to get my way 1103 00:51:36,330 --> 00:51:34,570 through mm-hmm a question I have about 1104 00:51:40,980 --> 00:51:36,340 the madness and this is just from things 1105 00:51:42,599 --> 00:51:40,990 I've read I've heard of individuals and 1106 00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:42,609 this may or may not be factual that 1107 00:51:47,490 --> 00:51:44,170 they've encountered them wearing long 1108 00:51:49,980 --> 00:51:47,500 robes or in a variety of colors and some 1109 00:51:51,570 --> 00:51:49,990 were unclothed were they clothed the 1110 00:51:56,310 --> 00:51:51,580 Mantis that you saw or were they 1111 00:51:58,980 --> 00:51:56,320 unclothed or both well I didn't see the 1112 00:52:02,450 --> 00:51:58,990 whole body all I saw was literally the 1113 00:52:07,460 --> 00:52:02,460 face and that's what I photographed yeah 1114 00:52:10,349 --> 00:52:07,470 you know it was in in both cases it 1115 00:52:11,940 --> 00:52:10,359 apparently I you know I'm sure we kind 1116 00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:11,950 of have a reputation or I have a 1117 00:52:17,700 --> 00:52:14,290 reputation for not being exactly the 1118 00:52:20,310 --> 00:52:17,710 greatest host when it comes to et's you 1119 00:52:23,990 --> 00:52:20,320 know due to the nature of things have 1120 00:52:26,550 --> 00:52:24,000 been here and so in the case of the the 1121 00:52:28,829 --> 00:52:26,560 Mantis beings they didn't come all the 1122 00:52:30,540 --> 00:52:28,839 way through you know into our dimension 1123 00:52:33,750 --> 00:52:30,550 it was literally just kind of stuck 1124 00:52:37,349 --> 00:52:33,760 their head through and that was all they 1125 00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:37,359 allowed so I don't really know what the 1126 00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:39,490 rest of them looks like sure no and 1127 00:52:44,910 --> 00:52:41,290 that's that's kind of the they're 1128 00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:44,920 commonly described as like you said 1129 00:52:48,210 --> 00:52:47,050 overseers they pop in they pop out 1130 00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:48,220 they're looking and they're just making 1131 00:52:51,329 --> 00:52:50,170 sure that things are running the way 1132 00:52:55,230 --> 00:52:51,339 they're supposed to run that's 1133 00:52:59,190 --> 00:52:55,240 interesting the the I'm blown away and 1134 00:53:02,430 --> 00:52:59,200 very interested in asking you about you 1135 00:53:04,500 --> 00:53:02,440 mentioned that they felt the greys the I 1136 00:53:06,750 --> 00:53:04,510 believe you said three and a half foot 1137 00:53:09,180 --> 00:53:06,760 two five foot tall variety we're a 1138 00:53:11,609 --> 00:53:09,190 little bit more devious and and they 1139 00:53:15,690 --> 00:53:11,619 felt in your hand to hand combat they 1140 00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:15,700 felt like snake-like and I recently 1141 00:53:20,089 --> 00:53:18,130 spoke with a very intelligent individual 1142 00:53:23,010 --> 00:53:20,099 who mentioned that a lot of these 1143 00:53:25,260 --> 00:53:23,020 ancient cultures were interested in this 1144 00:53:29,130 --> 00:53:25,270 snake worship much of which has been 1145 00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:29,140 erased from history and it focused 1146 00:53:33,230 --> 00:53:32,050 around many of these dimensional if you 1147 00:53:36,279 --> 00:53:33,240 want to call them intra or 1148 00:53:41,019 --> 00:53:36,289 extraterrestrial beings that 1149 00:53:42,579 --> 00:53:41,029 were for lack of a better word we 1150 00:53:44,650 --> 00:53:42,589 weren't sure of their intentions on 1151 00:53:47,199 --> 00:53:44,660 earth the elites were praying to them 1152 00:53:50,019 --> 00:53:47,209 for power and projections and other 1153 00:53:52,779 --> 00:53:50,029 means of education yet it sounds like 1154 00:53:57,489 --> 00:53:52,789 there could be some human DNA harvesting 1155 00:53:59,769 --> 00:53:57,499 is from your experiences from a little 1156 00:54:03,219 --> 00:53:59,779 darker point of view do you think they 1157 00:54:06,249 --> 00:54:03,229 were targeting you obviously you you you 1158 00:54:08,229 --> 00:54:06,259 were there they were there as well but 1159 00:54:12,039 --> 00:54:08,239 were they targeting you for any 1160 00:54:15,519 --> 00:54:12,049 particular purpose that I don't know all 1161 00:54:19,599 --> 00:54:15,529 I know is that I have places where you 1162 00:54:22,269 --> 00:54:19,609 know I have had skin taken I've had 1163 00:54:24,130 --> 00:54:22,279 blood taken pretty much anything that 1164 00:54:27,099 --> 00:54:24,140 you can take from a human being I've had 1165 00:54:29,019 --> 00:54:27,109 taken from me my wife has puncture marks 1166 00:54:31,660 --> 00:54:29,029 and her as well 1167 00:54:35,130 --> 00:54:31,670 we know the animals have had you know 1168 00:54:38,199 --> 00:54:35,140 punctures we've had horses unfortunately 1169 00:54:41,469 --> 00:54:38,209 you know back in the 90s late 90s that 1170 00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:41,479 were killed they were mutilated they had 1171 00:54:49,049 --> 00:54:46,249 hooves taken they the anus was cored out 1172 00:54:52,959 --> 00:54:49,059 and the guts inside the horse were taken 1173 00:54:55,299 --> 00:54:52,969 the eyes were taken you know and all 1174 00:54:58,269 --> 00:54:55,309 that is recorded history I mean we you 1175 00:55:01,900 --> 00:54:58,279 know we we filled out police reports we 1176 00:55:04,630 --> 00:55:01,910 filled out you know the livestock Bureau 1177 00:55:07,479 --> 00:55:04,640 agents were out here you know the whole 1178 00:55:09,969 --> 00:55:07,489 works so what I would tell you is that 1179 00:55:12,579 --> 00:55:09,979 there I can't imagine that they're not 1180 00:55:15,939 --> 00:55:12,589 taking those things for some reason that 1181 00:55:20,349 --> 00:55:15,949 you know is either going to be some kind 1182 00:55:22,989 --> 00:55:20,359 of cellular reproduction purpose or you 1183 00:55:25,390 --> 00:55:22,999 know I mean you know it could have 1184 00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:25,400 something to do with hormones and and 1185 00:55:30,609 --> 00:55:27,410 you know we hear stories about 1186 00:55:33,329 --> 00:55:30,619 adrenochrome it could be that you know 1187 00:55:36,249 --> 00:55:33,339 all these things are being used that way 1188 00:55:38,739 --> 00:55:36,259 it's just you know unfortunately when 1189 00:55:41,130 --> 00:55:38,749 you're the victim as much as I hate to 1190 00:55:45,279 --> 00:55:41,140 refer to myself as a victim of anything 1191 00:55:48,009 --> 00:55:45,289 you know you don't get the the overview 1192 00:55:49,180 --> 00:55:48,019 all you get is you know sort of the end 1193 00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:49,190 result 1194 00:55:54,430 --> 00:55:52,490 so I can't really speak forward to bleep 1195 00:55:56,110 --> 00:55:54,440 about any of this other than the fact 1196 00:55:58,870 --> 00:55:56,120 that I lived through it I survived it 1197 00:56:01,750 --> 00:55:58,880 and my wife survived it and you know 1198 00:56:03,630 --> 00:56:01,760 we're just continuing to try to find a 1199 00:56:06,850 --> 00:56:03,640 way off this ranch I mean if somebody 1200 00:56:09,340 --> 00:56:06,860 would you know help us to find a place 1201 00:56:11,290 --> 00:56:09,350 that we can afford to go to we can have 1202 00:56:13,420 --> 00:56:11,300 our horses and continue to do the rescue 1203 00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:13,430 work that we do with the animals we 1204 00:56:17,890 --> 00:56:14,930 would get rid of this place and 1205 00:56:21,190 --> 00:56:17,900 heartbeat and blah mm-hmm 1206 00:56:22,870 --> 00:56:21,200 this is not you know I you know I've 1207 00:56:25,330 --> 00:56:22,880 been kind of dragged into being the 1208 00:56:29,500 --> 00:56:25,340 ambassador of all this but this is not 1209 00:56:32,500 --> 00:56:29,510 my chosen you know life profession you 1210 00:56:34,630 --> 00:56:32,510 know and there's there's so much that I 1211 00:56:36,130 --> 00:56:34,640 know matter how many hours that I would 1212 00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:36,140 sit here and talk to you about these 1213 00:56:41,590 --> 00:56:38,570 experiences there's just no way that I 1214 00:56:44,530 --> 00:56:41,600 can convey to you the depth of 1215 00:56:48,310 --> 00:56:44,540 everything that's happened this ranch 1216 00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:48,320 has become the focal point or some of 1217 00:56:53,890 --> 00:56:50,090 the most important individuals in the 1218 00:56:57,190 --> 00:56:53,900 world that are involved not only in the 1219 00:57:01,920 --> 00:56:57,200 paranormal but in many other science and 1220 00:57:06,250 --> 00:57:01,930 scientific aspects you know July 29th of 1221 00:57:08,710 --> 00:57:06,260 2009 I had a chance to ask you know my 1222 00:57:10,420 --> 00:57:08,720 list of over a hundred questions if you 1223 00:57:13,780 --> 00:57:10,430 ever meet an ET that's willing to sit 1224 00:57:16,090 --> 00:57:13,790 down and talk to you about life you know 1225 00:57:17,950 --> 00:57:16,100 I sat down with this list and asked you 1226 00:57:20,140 --> 00:57:17,960 know dozens and dozens and dozens of 1227 00:57:22,690 --> 00:57:20,150 questions and I got the answers and I 1228 00:57:24,250 --> 00:57:22,700 got proof that this is all real and as 1229 00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:24,260 much as I didn't want it to be you know 1230 00:57:29,890 --> 00:57:26,090 I really didn't want it to be real but 1231 00:57:32,530 --> 00:57:29,900 it is it is real you know to the 1232 00:57:35,230 --> 00:57:32,540 hundredth power I mean humans do not 1233 00:57:36,820 --> 00:57:35,240 have any clue you know how real this 1234 00:57:39,340 --> 00:57:36,830 whole thing is and it's not just this 1235 00:57:41,170 --> 00:57:39,350 ranch this is going on around the world 1236 00:57:45,220 --> 00:57:41,180 it has been going on around the world 1237 00:57:47,370 --> 00:57:45,230 for over 8,000 years you know we we have 1238 00:57:50,740 --> 00:57:47,380 literally the portals have allowed us to 1239 00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:50,750 see things and to have contact with 1240 00:57:56,650 --> 00:57:53,690 things in terms of information that I've 1241 00:57:58,930 --> 00:57:56,660 never divulged because it's just too 1242 00:57:59,320 --> 00:57:58,940 phenomenal you know I'm right now trying 1243 00:58:00,790 --> 00:57:59,330 to find 1244 00:58:02,980 --> 00:58:00,800 somebody that wants to sit down with me 1245 00:58:04,210 --> 00:58:02,990 and write the books we thought we had 1246 00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:04,220 people that would do that but 1247 00:58:08,950 --> 00:58:05,810 unfortunately things fell apart with 1248 00:58:10,870 --> 00:58:08,960 that and so we're right now looking for 1249 00:58:13,810 --> 00:58:10,880 you know people that are professional 1250 00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:13,820 writers that are willing to sit down 1251 00:58:18,460 --> 00:58:16,250 with me and tell these stories and 1252 00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:18,470 include the videos and the photographs 1253 00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:22,130 and put the whole thing out there Wow 1254 00:58:27,780 --> 00:58:25,250 yeah that's I you know I think a book 1255 00:58:29,890 --> 00:58:27,790 it's definitely in your future John and 1256 00:58:32,110 --> 00:58:29,900 I'm by no means skilled 1257 00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:32,120 I mean I've written a few but I'd be 1258 00:58:35,170 --> 00:58:33,650 honored to help you out with any of that 1259 00:58:38,110 --> 00:58:35,180 so like in the future that's a whole 1260 00:58:41,770 --> 00:58:38,120 other story but I I wanted to ask you 1261 00:58:45,190 --> 00:58:41,780 just know that I'm there for you okay 1262 00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:45,200 thank you it's it's it's it's 1263 00:58:50,500 --> 00:58:49,010 interesting that you know the horses I 1264 00:58:54,220 --> 00:58:50,510 mean there's such beautiful animals I've 1265 00:58:57,850 --> 00:58:54,230 been a horse owner myself and I I was 1266 00:58:59,910 --> 00:58:57,860 very it's kind of scary when it goes 1267 00:59:01,930 --> 00:58:59,920 from cattle to horses because we 1268 00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:01,940 interact differently with that animal 1269 00:59:10,540 --> 00:59:05,090 and you know I know I've seen your scars 1270 00:59:13,660 --> 00:59:10,550 the the pictures of skin taken the maybe 1271 00:59:15,580 --> 00:59:13,670 they are doing cellular reproduction the 1272 00:59:17,170 --> 00:59:15,590 adrenochrome the the fact that you 1273 00:59:19,290 --> 00:59:17,180 mentioned that it's really interesting 1274 00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:19,300 to me because I Stephen Hawkings 1275 00:59:26,260 --> 00:59:23,330 who recently passed he he was under the 1276 00:59:27,790 --> 00:59:26,270 impression that yes these entities and I 1277 00:59:29,860 --> 00:59:27,800 mean we're talking very intelligent 1278 00:59:32,380 --> 00:59:29,870 people like you said you have become the 1279 00:59:34,780 --> 00:59:32,390 focal point of this and Stephen Hawking 1280 00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:34,790 mentioned that these things most likely 1281 00:59:43,060 --> 00:59:40,370 do not like us and we become their focal 1282 00:59:48,150 --> 00:59:43,070 point for whatever reason they they 1283 00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:48,160 don't like us they they observe us and 1284 00:59:57,250 --> 00:59:52,730 they try to incorporate us in some kind 1285 00:59:59,110 --> 00:59:57,260 of study and I think you're there's 1286 01:00:03,460 --> 00:59:59,120 there's some recent information I 1287 01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:03,470 believe it was well from the scientific 1288 01:00:07,930 --> 01:00:05,930 perspective they don't like us and other 1289 01:00:10,930 --> 01:00:07,940 properties you've been the long-term 1290 01:00:12,790 --> 01:00:10,940 you're the you're the homerun King right 1291 01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:12,800 now as far as 1292 01:00:20,870 --> 01:00:16,650 absolutely being able to long-term deal 1293 01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:20,880 with this the old Sherman ranch has 1294 01:00:26,690 --> 01:00:24,210 changed hands various times mr. Bigelow 1295 01:00:28,790 --> 01:00:26,700 himself sold it I think when he got 1296 01:00:35,330 --> 01:00:28,800 tired of it he's obviously interested in 1297 01:00:36,980 --> 01:00:35,340 your property as well and this these 1298 01:00:40,910 --> 01:00:36,990 civilizations which may have long 1299 01:00:42,770 --> 01:00:40,920 existed they seem to be isolated in 1300 01:00:45,980 --> 01:00:42,780 areas like you said that have portals 1301 01:00:48,620 --> 01:00:45,990 have you witnessed any of these these 1302 01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:48,630 these portals opening up or have you 1303 01:00:55,820 --> 01:00:53,210 seen any any examples of portal activity 1304 01:01:00,230 --> 01:00:55,830 many times I have photographs of the 1305 01:01:04,850 --> 01:01:00,240 portals opening outside to the point 1306 01:01:08,780 --> 01:01:04,860 where I actually have a photograph of of 1307 01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:08,790 the portal in the composite photo with 1308 01:01:14,810 --> 01:01:11,730 the mountains behind us and it will it 1309 01:01:16,910 --> 01:01:14,820 actually shows how large this portal is 1310 01:01:22,390 --> 01:01:16,920 I mean it's to the point where you could 1311 01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:22,400 fly you know 747s through it it's huge 1312 01:01:29,210 --> 01:01:25,970 the one in the living room is a 1313 01:01:30,770 --> 01:01:29,220 moderate-sized we've had lots of people 1314 01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:30,780 that have come and experienced that 1315 01:01:38,270 --> 01:01:35,850 phenomena that the the see the thing 1316 01:01:39,830 --> 01:01:38,280 that's really unique beyond just all the 1317 01:01:41,390 --> 01:01:39,840 things I've already said and that is 1318 01:01:43,370 --> 01:01:41,400 that the portals here on this property 1319 01:01:46,190 --> 01:01:43,380 seem to be not only capable of 1320 01:01:49,250 --> 01:01:46,200 transmitting matter from point A to 1321 01:01:52,130 --> 01:01:49,260 point B but they seem to have a time 1322 01:01:54,770 --> 01:01:52,140 aspect to them where they can go back 1323 01:01:56,630 --> 01:01:54,780 and forth in time and so what's 1324 01:01:59,180 --> 01:01:56,640 happening is things from the past are 1325 01:02:01,250 --> 01:01:59,190 coming into the current time period and 1326 01:02:03,140 --> 01:02:01,260 things from the time the current time 1327 01:02:07,340 --> 01:02:03,150 period are going into the past and 1328 01:02:10,340 --> 01:02:07,350 they're interactive and that makes this 1329 01:02:12,680 --> 01:02:10,350 particular set of coordinates you know 1330 01:02:14,930 --> 01:02:12,690 quite a bit more complicated and quite a 1331 01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:14,940 bit more interesting than maybe your 1332 01:02:21,500 --> 01:02:19,290 your standard portal you know and that 1333 01:02:23,570 --> 01:02:21,510 has been also sort of a key factor to 1334 01:02:26,120 --> 01:02:23,580 some of the teams that have come here 1335 01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:26,130 and examined these you 1336 01:02:29,990 --> 01:02:27,930 everything here on the range and it's 1337 01:02:33,170 --> 01:02:30,000 not just our range Rainbow Valley is 1338 01:02:35,599 --> 01:02:33,180 full of this there are other properties 1339 01:02:37,039 --> 01:02:35,609 where these things exist and that sure 1340 01:02:38,589 --> 01:02:37,049 people are aware of them but they do 1341 01:02:41,180 --> 01:02:38,599 exist 1342 01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:41,190 yeah I agree with you that these these 1343 01:02:45,349 --> 01:02:42,930 things don't no boundaries 1344 01:02:49,190 --> 01:02:45,359 I think your your your ranch is 1345 01:02:52,910 --> 01:02:49,200 definitely an epicenter and the time 1346 01:02:54,710 --> 01:02:52,920 aspect to them it I recently spoke with 1347 01:02:57,140 --> 01:02:54,720 an individual who came out doing some 1348 01:02:58,910 --> 01:02:57,150 research in Utah actually and he 1349 01:03:03,980 --> 01:02:58,920 mentioned that these odd have you had 1350 01:03:05,779 --> 01:03:03,990 any objects moving that you know you 1351 01:03:07,249 --> 01:03:05,789 have seen look for example you lose 1352 01:03:11,029 --> 01:03:07,259 something and then it's in another room 1353 01:03:14,029 --> 01:03:11,039 or have you had any any anything Mandela 1354 01:03:17,180 --> 01:03:14,039 effect type like absolutely okay 1355 01:03:18,799 --> 01:03:17,190 absolutely we've had one of the very 1356 01:03:22,279 --> 01:03:18,809 first things that happened on this ranch 1357 01:03:25,809 --> 01:03:22,289 was that I my wedding ring I was you 1358 01:03:28,819 --> 01:03:25,819 know I do I do a lot of work on cars I'm 1359 01:03:30,559 --> 01:03:28,829 sort of a half-assed mechanic I wouldn't 1360 01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:30,569 call myself a real mechanic I'm just a 1361 01:03:36,620 --> 01:03:34,890 guy who's a wannabe but I was working on 1362 01:03:40,430 --> 01:03:36,630 a vehicle and I took my wedding ring off 1363 01:03:43,309 --> 01:03:40,440 and I said it you know next to the 1364 01:03:45,170 --> 01:03:43,319 radiator under the hood and then when I 1365 01:03:46,819 --> 01:03:45,180 was getting ready to when I finish the 1366 01:03:49,220 --> 01:03:46,829 work and I was getting ready to start 1367 01:03:53,599 --> 01:03:49,230 the vehicle up I went to put my wedding 1368 01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:53,609 ring back on and it was gone and I was I 1369 01:03:58,549 --> 01:03:55,410 looked everywhere for it that you know I 1370 01:04:00,799 --> 01:03:58,559 mean I was you know just heartbroken 1371 01:04:03,109 --> 01:04:00,809 because my wife gave it them in you know 1372 01:04:07,339 --> 01:04:03,119 that was one of the first important 1373 01:04:11,059 --> 01:04:07,349 symbols of our marriage and he just was 1374 01:04:14,359 --> 01:04:11,069 gone well it was 20 years practically to 1375 01:04:18,109 --> 01:04:14,369 the day and I was in bed I had just woke 1376 01:04:20,029 --> 01:04:18,119 up in the morning and I felt something 1377 01:04:23,839 --> 01:04:20,039 on my hand and I looked at my ring 1378 01:04:28,430 --> 01:04:23,849 finger and there was my ring 20 years 1379 01:04:32,299 --> 01:04:28,440 passed by but that's happened with lots 1380 01:04:35,930 --> 01:04:32,309 of other things I mean keys wallets you 1381 01:04:36,380 --> 01:04:35,940 know personal items tools you name it I 1382 01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:36,390 mean I 1383 01:04:44,130 --> 01:04:39,370 we had a cat in Gumby that 1384 01:04:46,650 --> 01:04:44,140 disappeared in early December he was 1385 01:04:49,230 --> 01:04:46,660 literally chased through the house by a 1386 01:04:50,490 --> 01:04:49,240 couple of these grays and then he just 1387 01:04:52,320 --> 01:04:50,500 disappeared in thin air 1388 01:04:56,310 --> 01:04:52,330 and I was heartbroken because he's a 1389 01:04:58,200 --> 01:04:56,320 really good cat and you know I kept 1390 01:05:00,030 --> 01:04:58,210 praying on it kept asking for some kind 1391 01:05:03,750 --> 01:05:00,040 of intervention and you know try to get 1392 01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:03,760 him back about four weeks later I went 1393 01:05:10,770 --> 01:05:07,210 out to my suburban to get in it and feed 1394 01:05:14,460 --> 01:05:10,780 the horses and the calf was asleep on 1395 01:05:20,340 --> 01:05:14,470 the passenger seat in a wax vehicle with 1396 01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:20,350 the windows up so it's not just objects 1397 01:05:27,770 --> 01:05:21,970 that disappear and come back it's 1398 01:05:33,150 --> 01:05:30,840 usually this is fasten the 20-year mark 1399 01:05:34,890 --> 01:05:33,160 for your wedding ring usually these 1400 01:05:38,370 --> 01:05:34,900 items and there's there's people as 1401 01:05:41,730 --> 01:05:38,380 you're aware like mr. Bigelow and others 1402 01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:41,740 very high in the in the community as far 1403 01:05:46,230 --> 01:05:44,410 as a scientific perspective they've 1404 01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:46,240 analyzed these things and usually these 1405 01:05:50,550 --> 01:05:48,250 items will go missing and reappear 1406 01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:50,560 usually seconds or minutes that 20-year 1407 01:05:57,990 --> 01:05:54,970 mark is so mind-blowing because I was 1408 01:06:00,330 --> 01:05:58,000 told that these possibly may be anchor 1409 01:06:03,740 --> 01:06:00,340 points for these entities to re-enter 1410 01:06:08,610 --> 01:06:03,750 the timeline so that 20 years is like 1411 01:06:11,250 --> 01:06:08,620 wow that is um that's amazing it's the 1412 01:06:14,580 --> 01:06:11,260 time aspect to them and the objects 1413 01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:14,590 moving and the grounding this what's 1414 01:06:18,060 --> 01:06:15,850 what's really interesting about these 1415 01:06:21,120 --> 01:06:18,070 items is they've been tested 1416 01:06:23,370 --> 01:06:21,130 scientifically often times they aren't 1417 01:06:25,650 --> 01:06:23,380 the same item they're they're well 1418 01:06:27,990 --> 01:06:25,660 they're they're similar in that they are 1419 01:06:30,300 --> 01:06:28,000 the same item but they have differences 1420 01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:30,310 molecular ly than what was there before 1421 01:06:36,180 --> 01:06:34,210 is we obviously know that Bigelow 1422 01:06:38,720 --> 01:06:36,190 doesn't investigate anything that 1423 01:06:41,700 --> 01:06:38,730 doesn't have merit and I think that that 1424 01:06:44,370 --> 01:06:41,710 speaks volumes to your property your 1425 01:06:47,640 --> 01:06:44,380 experiences and the barrage of attacks 1426 01:06:49,770 --> 01:06:47,650 that you've encountered you're an 1427 01:06:51,330 --> 01:06:49,780 inspiration to the rest of us Jon and I 1428 01:06:52,859 --> 01:06:51,340 just I just blessings to you and your 1429 01:06:57,120 --> 01:06:52,869 family your honesty and truth 1430 01:06:59,579 --> 01:06:57,130 this are just so so refreshing I I 1431 01:07:00,870 --> 01:06:59,589 really appreciate you taking time out of 1432 01:07:02,400 --> 01:07:00,880 your day I know you've had a really 1433 01:07:04,589 --> 01:07:02,410 hectic day today and you still took the 1434 01:07:06,630 --> 01:07:04,599 time out to speak with me and and I 1435 01:07:09,569 --> 01:07:06,640 can't thank you enough I think you're 1436 01:07:12,599 --> 01:07:09,579 you're a great guy and I appreciate you 1437 01:07:15,059 --> 01:07:12,609 being on the podcast well thank you for 1438 01:07:17,099 --> 01:07:15,069 having me you know I'm just trying to be 1439 01:07:20,970 --> 01:07:17,109 the best man I can be and do do right by 1440 01:07:22,920 --> 01:07:20,980 myself my family and my country amen I 1441 01:07:27,269 --> 01:07:22,930 hope to speak you do to you again and 1442 01:07:37,579 --> 01:07:27,279 thanks again you're very welcome 1443 01:07:42,150 --> 01:07:37,589 thank you for having me man oh man an 1444 01:07:45,859 --> 01:07:42,160 individual who is a definite hero of the 1445 01:07:50,249 --> 01:07:45,869 parallel hand-to-hand combat Gray's 1446 01:07:55,019 --> 01:07:50,259 small and medium-size what do they feel 1447 01:07:57,029 --> 01:07:55,029 like apparently snake light tall whites 1448 01:08:00,230 --> 01:07:57,039 also seen popping in and out of 1449 01:08:12,230 --> 01:08:05,660 much of this is of interest to me and 1450 01:08:15,380 --> 01:08:12,240 others and he's had skin taken horses 1451 01:08:16,309 --> 01:08:15,390 killed I've been a horse owner myself 1452 01:08:19,309 --> 01:08:16,319 this is rough 1453 01:08:21,280 --> 01:08:19,319 owning a paranormal property is not an 1454 01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:21,290 easy business 1455 01:08:27,769 --> 01:08:24,690 he's been vulnerable he's had experience 1456 01:08:31,459 --> 01:08:27,779 after experience luckily he sleeps very 1457 01:08:33,709 --> 01:08:31,469 lightly and you know he's been able to 1458 01:08:36,170 --> 01:08:33,719 interact with these others as many call 1459 01:08:39,440 --> 01:08:36,180 them even though their motivations 1460 01:08:40,099 --> 01:08:39,450 aren't known he's witnessed the cone of 1461 01:08:43,180 --> 01:08:40,109 Lights 1462 01:08:46,059 --> 01:08:43,190 the portals what the ship looked like 1463 01:08:49,760 --> 01:08:46,069 you hear this time and time again from 1464 01:08:52,360 --> 01:08:49,770 our fellow abductees contactees and just 1465 01:09:00,079 --> 01:08:52,370 witnesses people like whitley strieber 1466 01:09:04,010 --> 01:09:00,089 Travis Walton many more and regardless 1467 01:09:06,849 --> 01:09:04,020 of your perception or idea of it all mr. 1468 01:09:11,630 --> 01:09:06,859 John Edmunds has relied on prayer and 1469 01:09:15,920 --> 01:09:11,640 his belief he's a patriot he's a 1470 01:09:17,420 --> 01:09:15,930 Christian blessings to him for all that 1471 01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:17,430 he's dealing with in the Rainbow Valley 1472 01:09:25,400 --> 01:09:22,890 a very paranormal Valley indeed he has 1473 01:09:27,410 --> 01:09:25,410 encountered these anchor points of 1474 01:09:30,039 --> 01:09:27,420 missing objects that allow these 1475 01:09:34,670 --> 01:09:30,049 entities to re-enter the timeline 1476 01:09:38,209 --> 01:09:34,680 usually in seconds minutes or hours his 1477 01:09:40,760 --> 01:09:38,219 wedding ring hits the 20 year mark he's 1478 01:09:44,120 --> 01:09:40,770 an inspiration to many of us the time 1479 01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:44,130 aspect the objects moving the 1480 01:09:50,059 --> 01:09:47,130 hand-to-hand combat it's UFO central 1481 01:09:54,650 --> 01:09:50,069 reminds me so much of so many places in 1482 01:09:58,580 --> 01:09:54,660 Utah as well as Arizona very trying 1483 01:10:01,320 --> 01:09:58,590 experiences everything from samurai 1484 01:10:04,270 --> 01:10:01,330 swords to ak-47s 1485 01:10:05,440 --> 01:10:04,280 there is something going on at the 1486 01:10:09,100 --> 01:10:05,450 Stardust ranch 1487 01:10:13,720 --> 01:10:09,110 and there's something going on at a lot 1488 01:10:17,140 --> 01:10:13,730 of other ranches as well if you have it 1489 01:10:21,520 --> 01:10:17,150 already please do me a favor and read 1490 01:10:23,530 --> 01:10:21,530 the utah UFO ranch it explains that a 1491 01:10:27,790 --> 01:10:23,540 lot of these paranormal properties are 1492 01:10:30,400 --> 01:10:27,800 in fact connected if not directed 1493 01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:30,410 towards a whole new way of looking at 1494 01:10:36,490 --> 01:10:32,810 reality in the universe itself and our 1495 01:10:40,360 --> 01:10:36,500 part in it something's got to give 1496 01:10:44,440 --> 01:10:40,370 sometimes we become more aware of this 1497 01:10:47,520 --> 01:10:44,450 Steven Hawkings himself mentioned that 1498 01:10:49,870 --> 01:10:47,530 it's very likely that these entities or 1499 01:10:52,960 --> 01:10:49,880 varieties of these entities don't like 1500 01:10:55,480 --> 01:10:52,970 to sit all they possibly hate us Tom 1501 01:10:58,600 --> 01:10:55,490 DeLonge has said the same thing to the 1502 01:11:02,470 --> 01:10:58,610 Stars Academy whether individuals or 1503 01:11:05,590 --> 01:11:02,480 groups these grades may be worker bees 1504 01:11:08,350 --> 01:11:05,600 order takers dimensional robots so to 1505 01:11:11,560 --> 01:11:08,360 speak biological entities doing the 1506 01:11:15,130 --> 01:11:11,570 bidding of others sure there's good and 1507 01:11:17,620 --> 01:11:15,140 bad beings our ability to understand 1508 01:11:21,040 --> 01:11:17,630 this is very limited given the amount of 1509 01:11:23,040 --> 01:11:21,050 resources we are allowed not to see it 1510 01:11:25,690 --> 01:11:23,050 is possible our government knows more 1511 01:11:29,650 --> 01:11:25,700 it's more possible they're not telling 1512 01:11:33,670 --> 01:11:29,660 us and the time aspect is possibly one 1513 01:11:35,730 --> 01:11:33,680 of the most interesting unique objects 1514 01:11:37,980 --> 01:11:35,740 moving grounding points 1515 01:11:41,490 --> 01:11:37,990 can't wait to get out to the Rainbow 1516 01:11:43,590 --> 01:11:41,500 Valley blessings to everybody that's 1517 01:11:45,480 --> 01:11:43,600 listening tonight for the time you've 1518 01:11:52,040 --> 01:11:45,490 taken out of your own hectic schedules 1519 01:11:54,990 --> 01:11:52,050 to listening to things not so well-known 1520 01:11:58,740 --> 01:11:55,000 so I wholeheartedly thank you please do 1521 01:12:03,690 --> 01:11:58,750 your best to support hero a paranormal 1522 01:12:05,280 --> 01:12:03,700 podcast and all of its affiliates we 1523 01:12:09,420 --> 01:12:05,290 don't do this for the money we barely 1524 01:12:13,260 --> 01:12:09,430 keep the lights on so hop over the hero 1525 01:12:15,540 --> 01:12:13,270 paranormal comm shoot us a buck shoot us 1526 01:12:18,360 --> 01:12:15,550 five bucks shoot us nothing just check 1527 01:12:21,240 --> 01:12:18,370 it out also hop over to space wolf 1528 01:12:23,340 --> 01:12:21,250 research com I will continue to do my 1529 01:12:24,180 --> 01:12:23,350 best to bring you the heroes of the 1530 01:12:27,150 --> 01:12:24,190 paranormal 1531 01:12:30,510 --> 01:12:27,160 the cryptozoological the fringe of 1532 01:12:34,170 --> 01:12:30,520 society secret societies and everything 1533 01:12:37,260 --> 01:12:34,180 else that falls outside of the 1534 01:12:41,010 --> 01:12:37,270 parameters of the well accepted 1535 01:12:43,140 --> 01:12:41,020 narrative there's more to this reality 1536 01:12:45,870 --> 01:12:43,150 ladies and gentlemen and I will be my 1537 01:12:48,300 --> 01:12:45,880 best to bring it to you I would like to 1538 01:12:52,020 --> 01:12:48,310 thank mr. John Edmonds one more time the 1539 01:12:54,180 --> 01:12:52,030 star des tranche and all of the people 1540 01:12:58,650 --> 01:12:54,190 who take time to listen to you hero 1541 01:13:01,350 --> 01:12:58,660 paranormal podcast keep your eyes to the 1542 01:13:11,810 --> 01:13:01,360 skies feet on the ground but don't 1543 01:13:22,980 --> 01:13:19,490 [Music] 1544 01:13:27,090 --> 01:13:22,990 blast-off of my time machine sir I feel 1545 01:13:27,810 --> 01:13:27,100 like it needs a blast not blast off last 1546 01:13:31,410 --> 01:13:27,820 night 1547 01:13:33,990 --> 01:13:31,420 blast off come blast off in my side of 1548 01:13:39,310 --> 01:13:34,000 the sheet there I feel like you need my